Blame is 100% on the rapist. But, if you think on it, what made the sick bastard want to rape the victim in the first place? (For debate purpose I am calling any rapist a him, but it can be a female too) His sexual desire, his sick mind, his need for love. The second one is most likely, but it's caused usually in childhood, he may have been beaten or raped himself. Sometimes depending on the pshycological state of his mind he might not have even understood what he was doing. But, even if the rapist is crazy it is STILL his fault.
Did everyone hear how A Hotel Company (somewhere cant remember where) is blaming a rape victim for being raped in their parking garage? The girl sued the Hotel and the Hotel says "The girl could have Prevented being raped", even though there were NO cameras or lights in the parking garage. In that case the blame is on the Hotel

My mom once talked to a police officer, and he said that even the woman was prancing around naked, if a man forced sex on her, it would still be rape, and it would still be his fault. Mind you, public nudity is illegal, and it isn't smart to walk around naked, but...

In the end, stupidity, while stupid, isn't a crime. But raping someone is.

I think in those cases its the rapist who is at fault. However there is other senarios that could partly put the woman at fault.

Woman goes to party looking to hook up. She broke up with her boyfriend and is looking to find a one night stand or possibly more to get over him or get back at him, perhaps both. She finds a guy and they have fun at the party then go to her place after words / or his place, doesnt matter. Anyways they start to have sex, get in the middle of it and then she changes her mind. He decides, its ok if I dont get her off if she isnt interested so Im going to just finish. Its the least she could do, I mean why leave me with very painful blue balls after doing it for this long? So he finishes and she feels raped. Even though he might not have took more then 2 minutes after she decided to change her mind. She may have not even struggled or given him reason to think she was too concerned. As most women are known to do that sort of thing. Does she have the right to claim rape after that?

Originally Posted by Oukan

I think in those cases its the rapist who is at fault. However there is other senarios that could partly put the woman at fault.

Woman goes to party looking to hook up. She broke up with her boyfriend and is looking to find a one night stand or possibly more to get over him or get back at him, perhaps both. She finds a guy and they have fun at the party then go to her place after words / or his place, doesnt matter. Anyways they start to have sex, get in the middle of it and then she changes her mind. He decides, its ok if I dont get her off if she isnt interested so Im going to just finish. Its the least she could do, I mean why leave me with very painful blue balls after doing it for this long? So he finishes and she feels raped. Even though he might not have took more then 2 minutes after she decided to change her mind. She may have not even struggled or given him reason to think she was too concerned. As most women are known to do that sort of thing. Does she have the right to claim rape after that?

You are having sex.
You say "get off/stop/don't do that".
They go on.
Why is it your fault that they went on?

Originally Posted by Vestidity

If you're dressed like a whore/slut/skank etc, yes. You deserve it. By wearing shit that barely covers you, you're advertising yourself. You want to show off like that? Then you'll most likely pay the price.

Unless your shirt says "I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH EVERY BIG STUD IN HERE", then it's not counting for consent.
Even if it does say she wants to have sex with every stud there, she can revoke said consent and, thus, rape could still occur.

Some people have foot fetishes. If I go barefoot around someone with a foot fetish, is it my fault if they rape me?

Originally Posted by Kris

You are having sex.
You say "get off/stop/don't do that".
They go on.
Why is it your fault that they went on?

What if she doesnt say stop or no? Say it goes like this (and dont tell me it wouldnt, cause Im going off something someone told me a story of once. It did happen like this, which is where Im getting this senario from).
She's having sex with him, she's under him. And suddenly she starts getting paranoid about getting pregnant or what if she feels she might want to hook up with her boyfriend that she just broke up with and if she has sex it might screw up her chances. So she tells the guy in a sort of muffled way cause she is embarassed or having these second thoughts "Wait.. maybe we shouldnt." and he continues, taking it as her just being shy and says "but we already are, just relax there's nothing to be afraid of, I dont bite - unless you want me too." everything seems normal yes? But she then starts really changing her mind and wanting to stop it then, however she doesnt say anything cause she freezes up. Its happened before. Im sure it happens more often then we know. So he finishes up and she decides its rape. Is it still the man's fault? Should she go get him put in prison for 25 years cause she changed her mind but didnt voice herself enough?

Well rape is non consensual sex, I think the definition shows that the victim didn't want it... So therefor it's not their fault.

The whole, what they are wearing thing, just because they wear revealing clothes doesn't mean that they are asking for it. They just enjoy dressing that way, and honestly sometimes it's fun to wear the occasional mini skirt and revealing shirt, yes it gets attention, but the people who wear it don't want to get a rapists attention, they want to get the attention of OTHER people.

Originally Posted by Oukan

What if she doesnt say stop or no? Say it goes like this (and dont tell me it wouldnt, cause Im going off something someone told me a story of once. It did happen like this, which is where Im getting this senario from).
She's having sex with him, she's under him. And suddenly she starts getting paranoid about getting pregnant or what if she feels she might want to hook up with her boyfriend that she just broke up with and if she has sex it might screw up her chances. So she tells the guy in a sort of muffled way cause she is embarassed or having these second thoughts "Wait.. maybe we shouldnt." and he continues, taking it as her just being shy and says "but we already are, just relax there's nothing to be afraid of, I dont bite - unless you want me too." everything seems normal yes? But she then starts really changing her mind and wanting to stop it then, however she doesnt say anything cause she freezes up. Its happened before. Im sure it happens more often then we know. So he finishes up and she decides its rape. Is it still the man's fault? Should she go get him put in prison for 25 years cause she changed her mind but didnt voice herself enough?

She said "wait, maybe we shouldn't", and he kept going. That was removal of consent.

i kind of have mixed feelings, because a lot of rape happens with a boyfriend that girls don't know how to say no to and they call it rape.

Originally Posted by Kris

She said "wait, maybe we shouldn't", and he kept going. That was removal of consent.

And if he moaned in that moment and didn't hear her whisper? o_o

Originally Posted by Kris

She said "wait, maybe we shouldn't", and he kept going. That was removal of consent.

Although I think the point they are trying to make is it can still be rape without the person committing the rape being aware of this. In the example they provided the male did not understand that they were removing the consent. Although in the context of this thread in no way does this make it the victims fault, but I would not put the blame on the rapist either.

Originally Posted by EvilKittenNamedAli

if anyone claims it's the victim's fault, THEY deserve to be raped themselves.

That's a disgusting horrible thing to say.
No one DESERVES to be raped.
Saying something like that is just of poor character.

Anyway...---> Women that claim to be raped, but are just experiencing REGRET. Are disgusting and horrible and waste the time of police who should be looking for actual rapists. Not poor choices for one night stands.
You made a CHOICE. You have to live with it.

How people dress can influence someone's thoughts. It's not the victim's fault, but hopefully they decide to dress and act accordingly in the future. There's a difference in partying while wanting to look nice and looking absolutely scandalous. Still, it's never the victim's fault, just bad judgment on how they present themselves.

Originally Posted by Inknote

How people dress can influence someone's thoughts. It's not the victim's fault, but hopefully they decide to dress and act accordingly in the future. There's a difference in partying while wanting to look nice and looking absolutely scandalous. Still, it's never the victim's fault, just bad judgment on how they present themselves.

If I wear flipflops and there happen to be someone with a foot fetish around, then am I to blame when they think sexually about me because they can see my feet?

No it is never the victims fault.
The rapist is the one who thought of it and carried it out, they may think in some twisted way the victim was asking for it but, I repeat, the victim is never at fault.

Originally Posted by Kris

If I wear flipflops and there happen to be someone with a foot fetish around, then am I to blame when they think sexually about me because they can see my feet?

No, but on the other hand are you more inclined to be looked at in a sexual way for dressing with little clothing on your chest or little fabric on your feet?

Originally Posted by Inknote

No, but on the other hand are you more inclined to be looked at in a sexual way for dressing with little clothing on your chest or little fabric on your feet?

Why should we have to dictate our lives to cater to those with so little self control that they if they see cleavage, they're liable to rape someone? Shouldn't they be the one at fault and they have to limit their actions?

Since large breasts are more sexual in most eyes than small, should large-breasted women have to wear baggy shirts in order to not "draw" rapists in?

Originally Posted by Kris

Why should we have to dictate our lives to cater to those with so little self control that they if they see cleavage, they're liable to rape someone? Shouldn't they be the one at fault and they have to limit their actions?

Since large breasts are more sexual in most eyes than small, should large-breasted women have to wear baggy shirts in order to not "draw" rapists in?

I believe the debate is on who would be at fault, in which case I have stated that it's the rapist's fault rather than the victim's. As I was explaining with differences between shoes and short clothing, there is a reason nudity is unacceptable in public. If people want to show their skin, they are going to be looked at in a certain way. Now, there's a huge difference between dressing cute while remaining tasteful and dressing like you don't care who's watching you walk down the street. Would you agree that it's EXPECTED for someone to be viewed differently when they wear clothes that show off their underwear or lack thereof? Either way, the antagonist should still be able to control themselves. My point was saying that provocative clothing can be a huge issue in the case. There's a time and a place to dress to impress. Some people don't understand this and yes, it does up their chances of being a victim in such a terrible crime.

Originally Posted by Inknote

I believe the debate is on who would be at fault, in which case I have stated that it's the rapist's fault rather than the victim's. As I was explaining with differences between shoes and short clothing, there is a reason nudity is unacceptable in public. If people want to show their skin, they are going to be looked at in a certain way. Now, there's a huge difference between dressing cute while remaining tasteful and dressing like you don't care who's watching you walk down the street. Would you agree that it's EXPECTED for someone to be viewed differently when they wear clothes that show off their underwear or lack thereof? Either way, the antagonist should still be able to control themselves. My point was saying that provocative clothing can be a huge issue in the case. There's a time and a place to dress to impress. Some people don't understand this and yes, it does up their chances of being a victim in such a terrible crime.

Although it is worth considering that more often than not the rapist knows victim. So I do not imagine the sexual provocation plays as large a role as you seem to be suggesting. Taken from RAINN on victim statistics

Approximately 2/3 of rapes were committed by someone known to the victim.
73% of sexual assaults were perpetrated by a non-stranger.
38% of rapists are a friend or acquaintance.
28% are an intimate.
7% are a relative.1

I agree with most people who posted in this thread. It is never the victim's fault. If the person wears almost no clothes or shows bad behaviour, you should warn her/him that she/he shows the wrong signals towards others. But anyhow, you don't hear the words 'rape me' out of her/his mouth, so it's always the fault of the rapist.

I don't see how it could ever be the girl's fault. Those who claims that, are most often sexists or rapist, and are just making up lame excuses for what they do or want to do to girls.

If a girl actually ever asked for a rape, it would be because it was a roleplay between her and her partner, whom she trusted to protect her if it got too far.

I hate men who claims the girl asked for it, they should try and be raped some time...


Oh and about Gaia... most people on Gaia are idiots... and incompetent fools who think they can say whatever because they have a screen to hide behind. >_>

^ Just be careful with how you word that - It isn't only girls who are raped. Many men experience rape as well. However, those statistics largely go un- or under-reported.

It is NEVER the victims fault.
They never asked to be raped and they sure don't deserve it, no matter how slutty they my dress. That could ruin there whole life, especially if the girl gets pregnant.

Originally Posted by Kris

If I wear flipflops and there happen to be someone with a foot fetish around, then am I to blame when they think sexually about me because they can see my feet?

I hope you understand the arousal by feet is called a sexual fetishism for a reason. By wearing flipflops you're not flaunting sexual organs :|

I don't think it is ever ok, but there are certain situations where the person can be partially to blame. Like when someone gets drunk at a party. This includes men. Drinking makes you incapable of acting the way you normally would and makes you less able to fight back(not to mention it makes people sick and dizzy). People who know that and still decide to go somewhere and get drunk have decided it was worth the risk of something bad happening to them. I have no sympathy for those people.

Originally Posted by Dystopia

Its never the person's fault that they were raped.

But it is their fault for being in a situation where they can be raped.

Walking around alone, almost too drunk to stand, in a place known to be dangerous. That can be prevented.

Did that make sense? ._.

I agree with this. Though, what's the point of rape if she asks to be raped? Then that's just plain sex, in my opinion. But I doubt it's the victim's fault. unless she was doing things in the above quote. Then it might be a bit her fault.