You know, it's not worth arguing *rolls eyes* You are interpreting my words as you want to see them. It's like debating politics, not worth my time or effort.

Originally Posted by Erailea

There haven't been "plenty of studies" it's fairly new. And the regular flu shot is terrible for you. It has mercury in it and the metal never leaves your body. It builds up and has been proven to cause many many ailments.

I don't lose sleep over it either XD I just respect my body way to much to even consider taking the junk. My immune system is strong, so I have no need to put toxic chemicals in my body, because every vaccine has something really bad in it.

They even say (studies are still going on about it) that all the vaccines infants get these days are raising the numbers of autistic kids. There is no doubt autism is growing, researches are just trying to prove/disprove it has to do with the vaccines.

Ok, first of all, yes there is mercury in it. I might add traces of mercury. In fact, only people who are sensitive to it have problems.

Science is not perfect. the world is not perfect. All vaccine shots have some minor disfunctional thing about it. There are going to be many knew things that cure MAJOR illnesses in the future, and what happens if it cures something big. that you have? Are you going to follow the rumours of the internet? My opinion is that you have more trust in your own docter, and dont rely on internet information, because there has been plenty of studdies that show the flu shot is affective. And every vaccination has something minorly wrong with them.

Originally Posted by MidnightWolve

My opinion is that you have more trust in your own docter

Just thought I'd toss in something to think about:

My doctor advised me against taking the vaccine, because there are not enough long-time studies out there and this kind of flu is pretty harmless most of the time, anyway.
(A lot of the cases in which it ended lethal included at least one other kind of infection. Chances are that those people would have suffered from the combination of the vaccine and their infection just as much as they did with H1N1 itself.)

What I deem most interesting about this is that she's not on the paylist of any pharmaceutical company. On the other hand you might want to check the background of any of those doctors who are telling people that it's crucial for everybody to get the vaccine - I guarantee that you'll find them to be in close contact with at least one of those companies.

So, are you really going to trust a doctor who's actually gaining money from advertising the vaccine?

@Midnight: It's mercury, but it's a different kind of mercury, one that our body can easily get rid of. It's used as a preservative. There are some countries, such as Sweden, who have completely taken it out of their vaccines, and the number of autistic children is still rising, therefor pointing more in the direction of flu shots not causing autism, at least not being caused by the mercury.

Also, I'm not hearing just what I want to hear, I'm reading exactly what is being said and responding to it. Going around and telling everyone that there are studies that are showing the the flu shot is causing autism, when there aren't any studies that I could find that show this in ANY way, is just creating more of a scare than there needs to be.

Also note, that it is not the FLU that is killing people. The flu never kills people, very rarely anyways. The flu, when it gets bad enough, will turn into what we call influenza. Once that happens, you immune system is extremely weak and exposed, which causes pneumonia. People who get the flu and die, are usually dying from pneumonia. When you have the flu, you get a fever, which seems to be what most people I've spoken to, believe kills a person. A fever is your bodies natural way of combating illness, it's trying to burn out the germs.

Honestly, having had the swine flu myself, and many people I know having had it, it's mild flu. Nothing serious. I've never had a vaccine because I just don't feel like wasting my time and money and I've never had any issues. I think people who may already have health issues should maybe get it, but it's their choice. Also, the flu vaccine is just a small dose of the weakened virus, I don't really see why someone who got a flu shot would get a disease and someone who got the flu normally wouldn't. I personally think it's too much of a stretch to say that because ONE person got some crazy disease after they got the shot that it was caused by that vaccine. Vaccine are extremely common, most everyone gets certain ones when they are young, including the flu shot, and many are in fact, MANDATORY. So this new flu shows up, they make a vaccine, someone gets it, and suddenly they have some other disease. Why are we assuming that it was because of the flu shot? If the flu shot is causing disease THAT quickly then there is something in the shot that is GENETICALLY different about the flu in that shot, which obviously isn't the case.

I think people have blown this whole swine flu, and now the vaccination thing WAY out of proportions. The flu itself is NOT that bad. This shot is like any other flu shot they've made in the past. These people who made it KNOW what they are doing and they've been dealing with this sort of thing for years. Sorry, but when over one million people have had it done and one or two people are suddenly sick with something else, I'm not blaming the shot.

Edit: @Nalah: A lot of doctors will actually advise against it if they think you are healthy enough. I am part Cherokee so I used to go the the clinic on the reserve, and they always advised against it. :)

All the shots are out in my town. I wasn't planning on getting one, because i'm a healthy person, and I wanted to save the shot for someone who needed it.

lol guess it doesn't matter now. Besides, I know a lot of people who had it, but it wasn't really bad at all. Yay to the media for blowing this thing up. :(

Flu vaccinations are always on the news, and they're craving for views lately, so they're hyping it up. Seems like there hasn't been ANYTHING of interest on the news as of late, probably why they blew this up so much. Obama making it a public health crisis or whatever he called it was just plain stupid. Then again, he's let me down in so many others ways so far too, shouldn't be surprised. It didn't even LAST long, I had the flu for...3-4 days I think. I was like "that's it? are you serious?" I had a bad cough, a slight fever (MAYBE hit 100 F), and I was a bit nauseous the last day. My boyfriend had it worse, he was sick for about 5 days, really bad cough and vomiting, though not a bad fever either.

I will NOT be getting this vaccination.



Vaccination does NOT equal immunity.

Swine flu is Over-Hyped and exaggerated. Your actual chance of getting it is, in most cases, a whopping 2%. And by the way, they stopped testing for the H1N1 virus back in June or something (in the US). Any recent reports of "swine flu infections" are Unproven.

The vaccine has not been properly tested. The likely side effects are worse than the virus.

Side effects can be long-term, including occuring over a several year period (certainly longer than the WEEK they watched the folks at for the trials of the vaccine).

The pharmaceutical companies have been released from any liability "in case" something happens (Read this as "they know it's flawed")

There are many more "true" epidemics going on where thousands of people are dying daily than have died world-wide over the course of several months from swine flu. Where is the call to action for these pandemics??

It is about the money. The pharmaceutical companies figured out they can make a LOT of money by pushing vaccines on people through fear. They are succeeding.

A vaccine does mean immunity to that years flu actually. Once you get it you can't get it again, not that strain anyways. It's like a safe. Each year there's a different combination to unlock it (or in this case kill the virus). Once given a vaccine, which is the actual flu itself, your body learns the combination/know what it needs to do to fight it.

Uhm, actually, there are tests still going on in my area of Milwaukee. I know for a fact that they are still occurring because Marilyn Manson was officially diagnosed with it after giving a concert here about a month ago. If you go in to your doctor sick, with the symptoms of the flu, they're going to test you for it. They're not doing active testing, but tests are still being done.

How can you say that side-effects are long term, lasting years when this vaccine has only been out for...a week I think? A couple at the most. I've never heard of any other flu vaccines leaving any side effects that last years either, so I'd like to know where you found that out.

I do agree that it's been blown way out of proportion though. It's defiantly about the money. For Obama I think it's just to put himself in a good light so that we forget about how he's actually doing as a president.

Originally Posted by Panic

Edit: @Nalah: A lot of doctors will actually advise against it if they think you are healthy enough. I am part Cherokee so I used to go the the clinic on the reserve, and they always advised against it. :)

I know, that's exactly what I was talking about. It's only those doctors who gain personally from people getting the vaccine that will tell you that everybody has to get it at once because it's crucial to your health.

Instead of listening to those corrupt less considerate doctors I'll rather go with those who keep telling people that only those at high risk should take the vaccine while the rest of us can rest assured that this is one rather harmless virus.

Originally Posted by Shalandriel

A vaccine does mean immunity to that years flu actually.

No, it doesn't. That is a myth perpetrated by the pharmaceutical companies without adequate, REAL Scientific testing done concerning the matter or taking into account the type and health of people who underwent the vaccination.

It does equal immunity, though how long it takes for your body to become immune can vary. Though it is possible for the vaccination to fail completely, that is due to a persons health or genetic make-up and not the vaccination itself.

"This is not a problem with the vaccines but it is with genetics itself."

http://www.saanendoah.com/immunity.html

If your body rejects it, obviously it won't work in that scenario, but I would still say that the vaccine equals immunity. It's not the the vaccine isn't working, the body is merely rejecting it before it can have the chance.

Edit: Also, when testing is done for vaccinations and treatments, the health, age, gender, everything of that sort IS taken into account. I learned that in middle school doing class labs, that's pretty common sense. Whenever anyone does any sort of test or survey they take into account everything about the people they're testing. If a restaurant were to test to see how customers liked the employees uniforms, they would find out the age of the people, note their gender, and maybe even note how they dress themselves. They would then compare that to the overall and see what the majority was. Maybe it would be that 70% of the people who liked it were women in their 40's. That's how ALL testing works, it's no different for medical testing, except that they get more detailed with health and past health.

On another note, I found something interesting about pregnant woman.

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/167740.php

Doctors, OTHER than doctors getting money for the vaccine, are urging pregnant women to get the vaccine. If a pregnant woman is to contract the flu it raises her chances significantly of rejecting the fetus. It would appear mortality rates in pregnant women who get the flu may get as high as 10%. It also goes on to give advice on what to do if you do contract the flu.

They say the side affects from the vaccinations are one in a million.
But after seeing this news report, I decided I won't be getting the vaccine for 10 years or so

LINK TO VIDEO (WARNING: VERY ALARMING: NOT FOR THE WEAK OF HEART):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1Ud5ccqEhA

My doctor said she would never take the swine flu vaccine because it hadn't been tested. She said their is an ingredient (she told me the name, but don't remember) in the vaccine that was in another type of vaccine years ago that killed many people. The ingredient is like 50 times more in the swine flu vaccine.

Originally Posted by Clarisant

My doctor said she would never take the swine flu vaccine because it hadn't been tested. She said their is an ingredient (she told me the name, but don't remember) in the vaccine that was in another type of vaccine years ago that killed many people. The ingredient is like 50 times more in the swine flu vaccine.

That's great.
The government wants to kill us D:

Honestly, I think the government really doesn't care about the average Joe. They want this to turn into an epidemic because the more people that buy the flu shots the more money that is shoved into the economy.

That's just my way of thinking. It's all about the money!

That is so true.
I hate the US government D<
I might as well move to Canada or Jamaica.
They don't deal with the crap we're dealing with hahaha

I keep thinking I wouldn't mind moving to Canada either. XD

LOL they have free health care! O:

They do! I heard US is looking at switching our health care system over to a system similar to Canada's. The only problem is that we have such a huge debt they don't know how in the world they are ever going to pay off the insurance companies.

It's a sad thing. The American economy is in the beginning of a recession. Not every state has felt it yet, but we have in Michigan. There is not enough work or jobs to go around. Crime rate is up. Schools are closed down. It's really sad.

DDDD:
Awww I'm sorry it's gotten that bad...why did they shut down schools? People need their education in order to make money!
It hasn't gotten that bad here in New Jersey yet, but Jobs are scarce. I'm just thankful my dad is still employed. I don't know what would happen if suddenly we were living in the streets.

And I'm all for an improving the health care, but the only way they'll make enough money to support it is by taxing the crap out of us - even while we suffer through this recession.

Yeah, but not all schools have shut down. It's a lot of Detroit schools, but the schools in the suburbs are hurting for cash at the same time.

Indeed. I would feel lucky to have a job too. You don't realize how much you need something until it's hard to get it.

Isn't Detroit like a bad area? o.o
Still, they're only hurting Americans in the long run if they're shutting down schools.
I know were strapped for cash but not that strapped.
I mean, the U.S. scores one the lowest in the world, academically wise. We're especially behind in science and math.
Without an advanced grasp in those fields, how will we advance with all the other countries and make money.
Luckily we have a large army otherwise the other countries would never respect us.

Detroit, yes.

I agree. They had to open up schools in the suburbs to give a lot of Detroit residents a place to send their kids for school. There are some schools still open in Detroit, but not many at all. The lack of schools is a shame. The students all suffer from it.

I hope the recession ends soon D:

I completely agree. =]