Your views on Nazism and Hitler.

I for one think Hitler was a great man. Smart in his own way and a hero. SOme things were dumb but I think he did some cool shit.

Hitler was a good leader its just his ethics were bad.

Hitler as disappointing as it may seem to some, by the term of leader, was brilliant. He was very intelligent, cunning with great charisma. As ill intended as he goals were he was still able convince over thousands of people to fight for his cause. The sad truth of the matter is the vast majority of Hitler's followers supported his decisions, the minority followed out of fear.

I agree with you. If someone had stood up in the beginning to Hitler he may not have gotten as far in his dirty deeds as he did.

Very charismatic and motivating public speaker. Very smart and intelligent as far as knowledge goes. Not so smart in morals or ideals in my opinion. He had some messed up ways of thinking as far as I'm concerned but I haven't really studied him that much.

Actually we were very lucky to even have stopped Hitler when we did, had he not made one fatal strategic flaw there's a large possibility we would all be speaking German right now, and not by choice. He divided his forces by mistake which allowed the opposing militaries to cut of his supplies.

I happen to like the lack of "Morals" he has. For I believe morals dont exist. Morals are a cover up to do what we think is "good". And of course I like his leadership, but more than anything Im interested in his view that Humanitarianism is a load of bull. Well is there but it doesnt mean anything. I think he really proved a point; You can do anything you want.

I think that someone would have eventually stopped Hitler from gaining complete control though, as you say.

@hannah: We talked about it in class once and I was told that Hitler's weakness was his paranoia of sorts. He didn't trust his commanders to act without his orders and thus didn't give them enough power to accomplish what they needed to do.

@Jake: I don't agree with you there. I could concede that morals are subjective to a certain extent though. I mean if Hitler had won would people today think he was wrong? Probably not.

Adolf Hitler was a great and talented artist who, upon being rejected from the art school in Vienna (or was it Rome?), went on to amass a large army in a country he wasn't born in that was bent on raising the supreme race that he didn't fit in and commited mass genocide of more than just Jews (damnit!). Now, I bet those people at the art school were kicking themselves in the ass.

Seriously, though, Hitler was a fantastic artist. I've seen some of his paintings, and I love his use of colour. Apparently he was rejected from the art school because they didn't think his human figures were that great, but I've seen some of those, too. That stupid art school was picker than a three year old at a salad bar!

Imagine what our world would be like if Hitler had become a watercolour painter instead of a charismatic, genocidal leader...

If Hitler had been a watercolor painter instead of a leader...hmmm I think he still would have wreaked havoc on the world with paintings instead of his fabulous leadership skills.

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Bandit of Love- (lol even though your my roommate) for the most part there were two main forces fighting during that time. Basically the world against Hitler.

Jake- Yes you can do whatever you want, but there will always be someone that disagrees enough to fight you, if your standards are two far out of line or what people believe is acceptable.

Still, remember the Americans didn't jump into the fight till the end. And neither did some other countries. I think if we had combined in the beginning instead of waiting we could have taken him out easily.

Duncan- The paranoia that Hitler possessed was a weakness yes, but it wasn't his defining weakness. Even with his mistrust he still could have overthrown the world, and very nearly accomplished the deed. I guess when you place all the pieces together an look at the war as a whole the few things that Hitler lacked it what saved the world. If with his divided forces it probably would have been quit possible for Hitler to still have conquered, lucky for us he divided his forces and was paranoid.

Holly- lol your just wanting to argue :P now, but anyways I'll go with it. Just remember you sleep in the same room with me.... I never went against the statement that Hitler could have been defeated had America as well as other neighboring countries joined forces against him in the beginning. But if you recall some facts from history *not sure the specifics of this* but the United Nations refused to assassinate another world leader. Otherwise the war really could have had a premature finish.

Originally Posted by Bandit of Love

Still, remember the Americans didn't jump into the fight till the end. And neither did some other countries. I think if we had combined in the beginning instead of waiting we could have taken him out easily.

I find it funny that we didnt destroy them because we didnt care. We didnt get involved until Pearl Harbor. WEll we were involved as in giving supplies and allies but we didnt care that Hitler was killing Jews until Someone attacked us. How quaint?

And Yes there's no such thing as peace. There will always be conflict. Thats why not one person can rule a world. There will be revolvers regardless of how great the leader. There will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees.

@hannah: Ok I can see that. Like I said this is just what my class came to when we were talking about it. I haven't really studied Hitler but I think it would be intersting to read Mein Kompf.

Originally Posted by Jakeasaurus Rex

I find it funny that we didnt destroy them because we didnt care. We didnt get involved until Pearl Harbor. WEll we were involved as in giving supplies and allies but we didnt care that Hitler was killing Jews until Someone attacked us. How quaint?

And Yes there's no such thing as peace. There will always be conflict. Thats why not one person can rule a world. There will be revolvers regardless of how great the leader. There will ALWAYS be someone who disagrees.

Yes there will always be those who disagree and with that I still believe that Hitler would have been brought down eventually. I don't think America was aware of the mass genocide of Jewish people at the time. Later on it was a kind of like a smack in the face. But yes I do find it rather ironic that we didn't get into this fight until we were attacked.

We knew. But we figured that we didnt wanna get involved cuz it wasnt our problem. Until we got bombed.

I knew Hitler would have Fallen, thats a given. He did fall. It just proves that Morals are nothing. Anything can be done, yes maybe it wont last, but it can be done. Im just mean like that ;D

You know, it's people like you who hold no stock in morality that build that mote between what we have and what we as a people could accomplish. It saddens me that you obviously believe that humanity is inherently evil and selfish, and I hope one day you can overcome that inaccuracy and see your species for what it really is: a good bogged down by ignorance.

Also, Hitler's paintings wouldn't have wrought havoc. As I said, they were beautiful. It truely makes me sad that he will be remembered not for his artistic vision and talent, but for the numerous deaths of Jews, homosexuals, blacks, gypsies, etc that he caused. (Again, DAMNIT! The Nazis didn't just kill Jews, people!)

Originally Posted by Sen Lee

You know, it's people like you who hold no stock in morality that will build that mote between what we have and what we as a people could accomplish. It saddens me that you obviously believe that humanity is inherently evil and selfish, and I hope one day you can overcome that inaccuracy and see your species for what it really is: a good bogged down by ignorance.

Also, Hitler's paintings wouldn't have wrought havoc. As I said, they were beautiful. It truely makes me sad that he will be remembered not for his artistic vision and talent, but for the numerous deaths of Jews, homosexuals, blacks, gypsies, etc that he caused. (Again, DAMNIT! The Nazis didn't just kill Jews, people!)

This species Is ignorance. We could accomplish more but the simple fact is we wont. We're all stupid and foolish. Humanity is lost. We're not nice people. We'd love to believe that but its a lie. Our rules our governments are all made up. I not once said it was a bad thing. Not that good or bad exists, but you know waht I mean. Ethics and Morals are crap.

Duncan- I agree I'd really like to read that as well, I think I'm going to make time to read it. :)
Holly &
Jake- Actually in reality the sick sadistic horrors of the war really weren't completely known by the States until after the war was over. And then it took years to find the actual counts of dead. Really it wasn't because they didn't care, it seemed more that unlike today, they more so wanted to let the others involved resolve it. They were just minding there own business, it turned out to be a fail. But no the less the motives behind the decision were sound in my opinion.

Question so how does it prove that morals are nothing?

Isn't that the point behind a justice system? You may not agree with societal set moral standings, but they govern you in one way or another. The fact that an intelligent man like Hitler was defeated only strengthens this point. Morals exist, accept or not that's your thing. But they aren't simply nothing or else entire countries wouldn't base themselves around them.

Originally Posted by Sen Lee

You know, it's people like you who hold no stock in morality that build that mote between what we have and what we as a people could accomplish. It saddens me that you obviously believe that humanity is inherently evil and selfish, and I hope one day you can overcome that inaccuracy and see your species for what it really is: a good bogged down by ignorance.

Also, Hitler's paintings wouldn't have wrought havoc. As I said, they were beautiful. It truely makes me sad that he will be remembered not for his artistic vision and talent, but for the numerous deaths of Jews, homosexuals, blacks, gypsies, etc that he caused. (Again, DAMNIT! The Nazis didn't just kill Jews, people!)

I want to apologize because looking back at what I said about his painting was cruel and ignorant. Because I have never seen any of his artwork and have only heard of him getting kicked out of the art school it lead me to believe that his artwork was bad. That was wrong of me, and once again I apologize.

I also want to apologize for encompassing the entirety of the mass genocide, because you are correct. Not only did he murder Jews, but gypsies, the disabled, and the older generations all because they did not fit into his perfect plan.

Which leads me to another one of his weaknesses that of arrogance. Thinking someone else is better than another is wrong and immoral. I believe that Hitler had what we call a God Complex.

Originally Posted by hannahM1Lwinsor

Duncan- I agree I'd really like to read that as well, I think I'm going to make time to read it. :)
Holly &
Jake- Actually in reality the sick sadistic horrors of the war really weren't completely known by the States until after the war was over. And then it took years to find the actual counts of dead. Really it wasn't because they didn't care, it seemed more that unlike today, they more so wanted to let the others involved resolve it. They were just minding there own business, it turned out to be a fail. But no the less the motives behind the decision were sound in my opinion.

Question so how does it prove that morals are nothing?

Isn't that the point behind a justice system? You may not agree with societal set moral standings, but they govern you in one way or another. The fact that an intelligent man like Hitler was defeated only strengthens this point. Morals exist, accept or not that's your thing. But they aren't simply nothing or else entire countries wouldn't base themselves around them.

Well Morals are made up feelings. They exist I understand that. I dont know how to explain my real meaning. I come off as a bad person to people because I dont believe in goodness of the people. It doesnt make me bad. I have mindset that I can kill anyone I want to, and I shouldnt have to be punished for it just because someone else doesnt like it. But would I? No of course not. The world is not fair yet we try to make it Fair. Fairness to one always differes between fairness. Our race cant accept that everythings not fair simply because we are teh species that is the most productive so we rule, and we have feelings. Feelings get in the way.

Hitler was actually a very good artist. The problem was that those classical art schools were VERY specific about what they expected, and his human figures were just not perfect enough for them. You should look up his paintings on Google, though. They are pretty.

He did have a God complex, and was rather unstable. Gotta love him, he was a mental case, ne? But you gotta give him credit. As I said, he didn't actually fit into the perfect race that he envisioned. Perfection was blond hair, blue eyes... he was brown on both ends, if I recall.

Jake- The saddest fact is that I think you truly believe what you are saying, (not to say that you are wrong) and that we do seem to be decreasing in intelligence as the years go by, or at least the morals of society seem to be declining.

And yes, there are a lot of hypocritical people in the world who put up a facade and pretend to be "good" people. But admit to it or not there are truly good people in the world, well let me word it this way. Since good and bad don't seem to be to your liking. There are people out there that are for the better meant of mankind not simply themselves.

I also would like to say that I respect your intellect, and opinion.