That toxic spill of alumina sure making a mess of things. It's now polluting the Danube River which provides food and drinking water for millions. I guess screwing up the Gulf Of Mexico by the British wasn't enough. You Hungarians had to one up them by messing up a beautiful river. Do they have a clean-up plan? So far we have two countries in the running for this year's Lemming Award. Are you guys sure your not a Continent of self destructive idiots? Because so far on the list there is Chernobyl and polluted Danube River.

A) Why is this here? There's no debate topic, you're just ranting.

B) It is not polluting the Danube yet. It may, it may not.

C) Why are you acting like it's personal? It's not -- those Hungarians who you're calling "idiots" are the ones who will have to deal with the consequences (and already have; people have died, others were injured, and there's no telling what lasting health effects there may be), not you. I can pretty much guarantee they didn't do this just to piss you off.

D) BP may stand for "British Petroleum", but it is mostly owned by American investors, it was American inspectors who let them get away with violations, and it was American politicians who devoted their whole careers pretty much to making life as easy for the oil companies, BP included, as possible.

I'm debating about thier clean-up plan since Winter is close. I take it personal when man messes up the enviroment because everyone has the right for clean safe water.

Everyone also has a right to live, a right not to be tortured, a right to bodily integrity, etc. It's fine to be upset about it, that's good actually, but taking it personally and actually getting upset (seemingly without sympathy) at the people who are the ones suffering is completely different.

That toxic spill of alumina sure making a mess of things. It's now polluting the Danube River which provides food and drinking water for millions. I guess screwing up the Gulf Of Mexico by the British wasn't enough. You Hungarians had to one up them by messing up a beautiful river. Do they have a clean-up plan? So far we have two countries in the running for this year's Lemming Award. Are you guys sure your not a Continent of self destructive idiots? Because so far on the list there is Chernobyl and polluted Danube River.

I get that you're upset. I do. But to me it sounds like you're blaming on the hungarian people? They are the ones that have to take the biggest hit.
And by the way hungary is not a continent, or did you mean europe? For your information, companies polluting the nature in diffrent way exists at ALL continents. There are polluted water in asia, africa and america as well.
And by the latest I've heard, Danube is going to be ok, it's worse for the areas that was polluted first since there it will be long-term consequenses on the nature and possible the people living there.

You have heard of run-off right. Yes I do know that others are doing the same thing to other Waterways but it's time for us as a whole to own up and clean- up our act. I'm blaming out dated equipment,poor matinence, and shoddy workmanship.

Originally Posted by Stardragon

You have heard of run-off right. Yes I do know that others are doing the same thing to other Waterways but it's time for us as a whole to own up and clean- up our act. I'm blaming out dated equipment,poor matinence, and shoddy workmanship.

I'm glad that you're not blaming the people that have to pay the price for big companies lack of interest in our nature and the environment.

They are a victim too since they have to come in contact with the water either by choice or accident. Also I heard and seen on the news wire the resevior of the sludge is starting to collapse. I wonder how long will it take to clean up the mess and maybe the song Blue Danube will just be a lost tale of old.

Well according to the hungarian greenpeace it's going to have "long-term effects on humans and nature in the area". I'm not completely sure how long that would be but then again their tests are not yet done, so I guess they will be able to tell for sure then.

That could take months.

Agreed with others that your comments were misguided at best. It is a shame as this could have potentially been a great springboard into a discussion on the costs and implications of industrialization. We could have even framed it around an exploration on what 'progress' and 'development' *should* mean and whether or not the mainstream understanding of these terms reflects that. But instead of actually addressing any of this, we were given a rant which misconstrued the situation.

The way I see the world is that basically shit happens. Oil spills, sludge spills, contamination, famine, disease ect happens. No one intended for it to happen it was just an accident. Just like BP which happens to be an international company- I've explained this before but I feel that you have an attitude which is akin to Bandit Keith so the fact BP is an international company partial owned by Americans is glossed over and apparently the reality is that the Queen of England donned on her scuba gear and harpooned the oil pipe line just to piss off the people of America..*english sarcasm*.
Hungary is having there own ecological disaster and they will have to see it through and only time will tell if their efforts will have worked or not. Everything seems to hinge on this dam, if the Hungarians have maintained it and made sure it is fit for purpose then hopefully it will do its job if not they are screwed- a bit like the Mississippi flood defences *wink wink*

Originally Posted by una

The way I see the world is that basically shit happens. Oil spills, sludge spills, contamination, famine, disease ect happens. No one intended for it to happen it was just an accident. Just like BP which happens to be an international company- I've explained this before but I feel that you have an attitude which is akin to Bandit Keith so the fact BP is an international company partial owned by Americans is glossed over and apparently the reality is that the Queen of England donned on her scuba gear and harpooned the oil pipe line just to piss off the people of America..*english sarcasm*.
Hungary is having there own ecological disaster and they will have to see it through and only time will tell if their efforts will have worked or not. Everything seems to hinge on this dam, if the Hungarians have maintained it and made sure it is fit for purpose then hopefully it will do its job if not they are screwed- a bit like the Mississippi flood defences *wink wink*

Ifs and buts were candy and nuts we all would have a Merry Christmas. We all know that greed out strips Nature by a long shot.The Dam was most likely mantained by cheap unskilled labor. As for the Mississippi River Flood Defences everyone knows you can't control a river that shifts it's Banks and with a Fault running along most of it. Even though the fault has been semi-inactive for 200 years. As for New Orleans greed has set in and they built to close the Lake and on unstable ground.

Originally Posted by Stardragon

Ifs and buts were candy and nuts we all would have a Merry Christmas. We all know that greed out strips Nature by a long shot.The Dam was most likely mantained by cheap unskilled labor. As for the Mississippi River Flood Defences everyone knows you can't control a river that shifts it's Banks and with a Fault running along most of it. Even though the fault has been semi-inactive for 200 years. As for New Orleans greed has set in and they built to close the Lake and on unstable ground.

I wasn't implying any ifs or buts- that lies within the people who are responsible for the disaster- not the people Hungary as your OP implied. Most rivers change and shift over time and river management engineers deal with it- the Mississippi is not some natural exception. All 50 levee failures were accredited to poor engineering design and not an act of God.
As for Hungary, their government will come down hard on the people who are responsible for disaster and then we have to listen to the ifs and buts. You're inevitable right though it is greed selling out nature. I'm slowly loosing my faith in humanity....

I lost my faith a long time ago.