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Old 01-23-2011, 10:51 PM

Tracing is actually a good way to learn to draw better. :P
But just referencing things can be just as good too.
As long as you say that you used something as a reference.

Kah - Maybe, I don't react as severely to products that are very well washed, but I think it's part of it.

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Old 01-23-2011, 10:57 PM

I dont trace at all, and I dont ever plan to. I learn by looking at things and drawing them like I see them and working it out on my own. So I take it as a serious offense if they tell me I traced it.

And yeah, I had said it in that it was drawn from a screenshot that I used as the reference. Just didn't link it straight to the screenshot, because I had no idea where it was. Just had had it saved on my computer by then. lol

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Old 01-23-2011, 11:02 PM

Then he's just a fuckhead.

Uhg. I'm pissed off again. People are so fucking rude!!!

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Old 01-23-2011, 11:10 PM

I know, right?! Ugh.

And thats why I haven't updated it in a very very long time. :x Pretty much dont have any of my own ideas that i've drawn up there. Just mimics, because when I was younger, that was pretty much all I did. lol Its helped me to draw better, though, and to get poses and stuff down aftera while. :yes: And I dont really feel like anyone stealing something of mine, or having people like that ass tell me off about something that isn't true. -__-;;

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Old 01-23-2011, 11:19 PM

Yeah. I don't post most of my work online any more.
People rip me apart, even when I say, "this was just for fun, no critique needed!"

They feel the need to insult every little detail...:/

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Old 01-23-2011, 11:43 PM

Aww, I would not insult! I love to see people express their creativity :yes:

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:00 AM

Would it be not allowed if I show you guys what they just replied to me saying? I'd put it in quote boxes. :x

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:02 AM

I think if you quote it, it should be okay. o_O

It's not like you're attacking anyone here on menewsha.

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:08 AM

Alrighty. Here is the last bit of it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by them
I can overlay the original and this image and it looks exactly alike.
The image I showed is the original screenshoot from the actual series, mimic bah, stop lying please. I am not stupid.
Quote:
Originally Posted by me
Obviously you are, because I swear I didn't trace anything! You can tell there are flaws in this, too. I didn't do a perfect job, and kept fiddling with it and erasing parts and trying again. I didn't trace any of it, though. Just kept trying with it
Quote:
Originally Posted by them
Oh please : [link]
If this link does not work, go to tineye, copy the URL of your image and search. This will show if your image is an exact trace.. and look at that it is.

You have no talent, at all. But all small children trace, just try to draw by yourself.
They are being so rude! I just mimiced it! *rampages* I didn't trace a single thing. The paper its on you can't even see anything on the other side of it because its thick!

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:11 AM

Can you block people or report people on DA?
I would, if you can. :/ He's trolling.

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:16 AM

I smell a troll.

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:18 AM

<.< >.> oops... sorry, that was me XD

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:18 AM

Yeah, you can report for spam or block the user.

Those comments are on another persons picture, though, because they colored the thing i'd drawn and linked it to me. The person commented on their image and said:

Quote:
Originally Posted by them
This is a direct trace, at least add the "reference" , because the original owner just traced.
[link] << original.
So thats what I replied on. They hadn't said it direcetly on my own image that it was traced, just were rude and told me to link to the image that I used as a "reference." :roll:

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:19 AM

Again, what a fuckhead. :yes:

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:20 AM

Agreed. So I dont know if I can report someone for that or not. :x

And I dont really want to put up my own new stuff now, either, because I would rather they didn't start talking shit about them either.

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:24 AM

I'd say you should report them, you didn't claim it was your original work, and they can't prove if you traced it or not.
you've already told them they didn't, and they're just being dicks.
I'd report them.

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:37 AM

I'M NOMINATING!...
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Old 01-24-2011, 12:39 AM

Well, you'd even think that by looking at my other stuff they would be able to tell I didn't trace. I mean, I've done a bunch of mimic stuff, and you can see flaws in each of them. Why they suddenly single that one out and say its traced, I dont know.

I dont see why they'd be trolling. :/ It looks like they're a good artist with lots of pieces up. They wouldn't really have a reason to be a troll, I dont think.

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:40 AM

Then why are they just targeting that one piece? It doesn't make sense. :roll:

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:42 AM

Suona, tell them you've just ran out of troll food so you're just going to go mimic another screenshot.

Then never reply again to that person :yes:

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Old 01-24-2011, 12:56 AM

Exactly. I dont know. :roll:

How about we talk about something happier before I blow a blood vessel. lol

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Old 01-24-2011, 01:00 AM

I'm about to blow a blood vessel too. But for a difference reason. :roll:

So yes. Happy things.
Like the violent murder of trolls.
Or better yet, blowing up their bridges to they have no place to run back to.

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Old 01-24-2011, 01:05 AM

Happier...

I'm currently addicted to baked Lays chips. My god they're amazing. :drool:

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Old 01-24-2011, 01:08 AM

The only thing you can do, Suona, is in the comments for the image you made write, "referenced off of a screen shot from (x)".

That's fair use.

Even if you didn't trace it and only referenced it, if it's close enough that an overlay works, that's close to what's called 'sight copying'. But if you state that you used it as reference, you're fairly bullet proof.

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Old 01-24-2011, 01:11 AM

I did say it was a reference, just didn't put up an original because I didn't have access to the one i'd used. Didn't know where to find it by then. And i'm stubborn to want to wait a little while for this person to shut up before I put it in there, because then they'll be rude and act like they "won" or something. :roll:

Thank you, though. I'll probably keep track of the image and put it up. Or maybe save it from the one they linked me, and put it on tinypic, that way I feel less like it was because of them. xP;;

@ Demo - They're soo good, huh?! 8D;;
My dad loves those, too, and I think they have good taste and flavor. They're more filling than the usual chips. Feels like you're eating more, instead of the light fluffy ones that you could eat a ton and feel like you've gotten nowhere with them. lol

@ monstahh - That sounds like a pretty happy thing to me. :yes:

 


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