Not terrible, I'm surprised.

We all know how her first song was.. but honestly with the attention she got from it who wouldn't continue that career? Any artist with instant listeners (even if they were haters) would keep at it, at least for a while.

The same thing happened to JBiebs: only the younger girls liked him, but hey he's rich now.. so must not be a bad life.

DreamEmpress is right on the point that at least they adjusted the Autotune, helps our ears!

I also agree with Agent HEY-LEE that Autotune is overused. Where are the real singers at?

Originally Posted by Isendor

Mhh, good arguments, but seriously, "She was like any other teenager, posting up a random music video"? O.O Yes, whenever I make something random, it's always something like this. :D

Have you gone on youtube and gone around randomly gone around to see all the songs kids do? Majority of the music they use is from other artists, true.
However, I've seen many videos kids shoot at school, with their friends and more.
I will admit the orginal song "Friday" by Rebecca Black, had some things that were off. However, keep in mind the whole story.
Rebecca Black's mother was told by someone trying to make it into the film industry, that her daughter could make it as a singer.
Mother believed this man so much, she paid a good amount of money to the said man.
That man was the black man you saw in this car rapping.
He edited the child's grade video with professional programs--- and published it to the internet himself.
Think about it this way, there are many people out there who can get a hold of these programs and use them on their stereo typical videos-- thus creating the same kind of look Rebecca Black's orginal video had.
Can't be helped that it went Viral-- more than likely because so many people wanted to make fun of it.
Now the question is, why don't we Mock all the other videos?
Oh wait--- because there aren't that many people who watch it, and it shows how much of a troll we are. :o

Cite your sources on that whole story you just posted. It's pretty much the opposite of what I've heard regarding how that video got made, so by all means show me where it came from. :)

Originally Posted by db8ann

Have you gone on youtube and gone around randomly gone around to see all the songs kids do? Majority of the music they use is from other artists, true.
However, I've seen many videos kids shoot at school, with their friends and more.
I will admit the orginal song "Friday" by Rebecca Black, had some things that were off. However, keep in mind the whole story.
Rebecca Black's mother was told by someone trying to make it into the film industry, that her daughter could make it as a singer.
Mother believed this man so much, she paid a good amount of money to the said man.
That man was the black man you saw in this car rapping.
He edited the child's grade video with professional programs--- and published it to the internet himself.
Think about it this way, there are many people out there who can get a hold of these programs and use them on their stereo typical videos-- thus creating the same kind of look Rebecca Black's orginal video had.
Can't be helped that it went Viral-- more than likely because so many people wanted to make fun of it.
Now the question is, why don't we Mock all the other videos?
Oh wait--- because there aren't that many people who watch it, and it shows how much of a troll we are. :o

Yes, we do mock this because it has become a phenomena because it is popular in one way! And how do you know I don't mock other kiddo's videos? :D People do that too, this just gets more comments because someone picked it up to news as the worst song ever and more people watch it, so it gets more comments, just like you said! (Logical, eh? But you shouldn't expect that every similar kind of videos get similar comments, because they are "individuals" and are handled under their circumstances. Here: it got to news and people know it better that other kiddos' videos!)
Oh yeah, and mocking isn't always trolling, have you even read how good reasoning some of the people have posted here? Negative comments can be validated well, too!

Saisei: Ture, I also want to know where the back story came.. :D After that I can continue on the matter of Rebecca being an "ordinary" girl without glamorous opportunities (=$)

Originally Posted by Saisei

Cite your sources on that whole story you just posted. It's pretty much the opposite of what I've heard regarding how that video got made, so by all means show me where it came from. :)

....cite my sources as a demand? Or just because your curious?
I don't mind giving it out seeing as how it came from a new station I had watched.
My only concern is, how old the story is. I don't go digging around in the debate thread because of how old some information I find is---- and often times I can't remeber which news source it was from.

Originally Posted by Isendor

Yes, we do mock this because it has become a phenomena because it is popular in one way! And how do you know I don't mock other kiddo's videos? :D People do that too, this just gets more comments because someone picked it up to news as the worst song ever and more people watch it, so it gets more comments, just like you said! (Logical, eh? But you shouldn't expect that every similar kind of videos get similar comments, because they are "individuals" and are handled under their circumstances. Here: it got to news and people know it better that other kiddos' videos!)
Oh yeah, and mocking isn't always trolling, have you even read how good reasoning some of the people have posted here? Negative comments can be validated well, too!

Saisei: Ture, I also want to know where the back story came.. :D After that I can continue on the matter of Rebecca being an "ordinary" girl without glamorous opportunities (=$)

Negitive critism can be good, yes. However Keep in mind the girl was not only mocked by the majority of the US population-- she was in the news as "most annoying"--- and she even recieved death threats from people who never knew her.
If you also want the source-- well you can read my respnse above-- I don't need to explain twice why I dislike doing so. I'm lazy, and don't enjoy digging stuff I don't even know is the right stuff.
So to help, I will post what I guess might be the right one---assuming I got both news source, and article right----
'Friday' Singer Rebecca Black To Be Homeschooled After Constant Verbal Bullying | FoxNews.com

I noticed on further examination it's short and only on one topic-- so it isn't the right article.
All I know is I was watching Fox News that evening, and it gave me my info.
If absolutly needed, I will spend more time when I can get it, to look for the video clip.

Originally Posted by db8ann

Negitive critism can be good, yes. However Keep in mind the girl was not only mocked by the majority of the US population-- she was in the news as "most annoying"--- and she even recieved death threats from people who never knew her.

Um, yeees, death threads are bad (mkey) and shouldn't be tolerated at any rate, but several of your linguistic choices lead the reader to believe that you're accusing everyone who doesn't like the song (like in the quote I posted: why mention me that she got a death treat? I'm not sending ones if I don't like the songs. Here only NeuzaKC went too far with presumptions and even she doesn't express willingness to kill someone.)

Originally Posted by db8ann

Now the question is, why don't we Mock all the other videos?
Oh wait--- because there aren't that many people who watch it, and it shows how much of a troll we are. :o

Even this gives a blaming message.

But yeah, in case you got the wrong impression, I'm not a big enemy of Rebecca. I've written somewhere here in the forums that I actually liked Friday's lyrics as an idea, because they weren't about "fuckfuckdrinkdrinkimtotally16". But I still don't like the song in general.

BTW, I ended up to her homepage, check out the south box:

MsRebeccaBlack: Today is Wednesday, in case y'all didn't know know that already.

Heehee... :D But back to business! I found the backstory myself.

In late 2010, a classmate of Black and music-video client of ARK Music Factory, a Los Angeles label, told her about the company.[9] Black's mother paid $4,000 for Ark Music to produce her daughter's music video while the Blacks retained ownership of the master.[1] The single, "Friday," written entirely by Ark, was released....

This is what Wikipedia tells and it has good link to this. I thought that this topic was over already, but now I'm getting interested again in these debates and such. :D

I didn't go too far with presumptions. Going too far would be bashing her until she felt the need to hide from me. I merely stated her lack of talent and how pathetic her attempt to pass herself as happy is.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

...insists on spending as much time as possible showering us with her face, which incidentally, got fatter after Friday...

Quite hard words about a 14-year-old girl!!! O.O Yes, fame brings pressure but it is unnecessary to note her weight, even in spot light! She's just a kid! You did have good arguments otherwise, but you do have some big presumptions there.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

There's also a whole lot of fake going in the video, because she seems to be trying to show that she's having a great time being famous...

Maybe she is having great time! You can't assume that she's faking all in the video. If she doesn't like fame, then why is she making an album right now? Death treats and such are horrible but it doesn't mean that she can't "seize the moment" like her mother said.

Originally Posted by Isendor

Quite hard words about a 14-year-old girl!!! O.O Yes, fame brings pressure but it is unnecessary to note her weight, even in spot light! She's just a kid! You did have good arguments otherwise, but you do have some big presumptions there.

Unecessary but true, or is it not? I don't think you know what presumption means.

Originally Posted by thefreedictionary

pre·sump·tion (pr-zmpshn)
n.
1. Behavior or attitude that is boldly arrogant or offensive; effrontery.

I have done neither. Excuse me for not sugarcoating anything for a little girl who will never read this and who I believe hides her lack of talent behind a thick layer of autotune and eyeliner. Look at her face in Friday and now. She did get fatter. I am stating a fact, not anything less. When I see a fat person, I call them fat. If you think that's an insult, then I can't do anything to help you; words are only as powerful as the other person makes them.

Originally Posted by Isendor

Maybe she is having great time! You can't assume that she's faking all in the video.

Show me one thing I've said that isn't true; all you've done is complain and assume yourself that what I said isn't true, despite all I've said to support my own arguments. "Maybe" doesn't cut it. I'm not assuming anything, I am perfectly capable of discerning lies just by looking at people's expressions. So much the better for me, so much the worse for those who can't.

Originally Posted by MajoraMedli

You see, Friday was pretty bad, but she kinda has a voice.

As of what I've seen, she's a really nice person.... I don't know why people hate her JUST because of Friday. I kinda like the second song she made! It's not too bad. :3

Because the point is that we're talking about singing talent, not whether she's nice or not. She can have the personality of Thom Yorke for all I care, if she actually did something that didn't seem to be only because one dude said she could make it as a star and is only milking out Friday then it would be completely different.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

Unecessary but true, or is it not? I don't think you know what presumption means.

Well I'm not a native, so sue me! But the translation you've added later in your post fits. It is rude to call someone fat. Have you ever even been one? I haven't, but it doesn't mean that I don't sympathize others. And your argument

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

....words are only as powerful as the other person makes them.

Is also very childish. Words are also meaningful in context: one japanese football player lost his nerves when an opposite fan yelled "FUKUSHIMA" to him during a game. I wonder why? And words are sharper than words, I believe that you
re old enough to know it already. But about calling people names: Can I call you a language noobie and a pissed off kid just because your linguistic choices make you sound very rude and you show some lack of reading skills? (sorry if hurt by this, part of the message.)

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

All you've done is complain and assume yourself that what I said isn't true

(Read my post. I did compliment your arguments and noted that some of them are true. I agree with auto-tune and such, here I'm just justifying the fact that you don't have to be rude to make your point.)

But no, I can't call you names just because we're having a small debate here and because I don't totally disagree with you (plus we're on Internet now...) Some things are just part of good manner. Heard of 'em? You should use your dictionary again if not.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

I'm not assuming anything

Did you even read your first post again after writing it? You are pretty much assuming many things there, note the words you use. (Mhh, although the word "seem" makes you look less assuming, I give you that) You don't have to attack people so harshly when they're so young, no matter if they read your text or not.

Oh yeah, out of the topic, are you really hurt by this conversation or are you holding "the debate distance"? :D I love this myself!

I hated Rebecca Black. The song she make "Friday" was terrible. But I like this song "My Moment". Idk why but this song is pretty good.

Originally Posted by Isendor

It is rude to call someone fat.

El-oh-el. I don't care. I call fat people fat because gasp shockers, they're fat. If someone is skinny, I will also call them skinny. But by your reasoning, if you're say, I don't know, between the ages of 13-20, it's rude if I call you a teenager, even though you are one. I don't know where you're going with this.

Originally Posted by Isendor

But about calling people names: Can I call you a language noobie and a pissed off kid just because your linguistic choices make you sound very rude and you show some lack of reading skills? (sorry if hurt by this, part of the message.)

I don't respond to ad hominem attacks.

Originally Posted by Isendor

But no, I can't call you names just because we're having a small debate here and because I don't totally disagree with you (plus we're on Internet now...) Some things are just part of good manner. Heard of 'em? You should use your dictionary again if not.

I'll give you this one, but tone down the ad hominem. We're on the internet, you said it yourself. I'm just a chick on the internet, who is going to give a shit whether I'm rude or the most precious little literary princess? I don't give a rat's ass if it was rude. Little miss Black is just going to have to deal with it.

Originally Posted by Isendor

Did you even read your first post again after writing it? You are pretty much assuming many things there, note the words you use. (Mhh, although the word "seem" makes you look less assuming, I give you that) You don't have to attack people so harshly when they're so young, no matter if they read your text or not.

Didn't attack. Stated my opinion. Am I a bitch? Yes I am. Still didn't attack. Note the bolded parts.

Originally Posted by Isendor

Oh yeah, out of the topic, are you really hurt by this conversation or are you holding "the debate distance"? :D I love this myself!

Debates are debates. ;)

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

El-oh-el. I don't care. I call fat people fat because gasp shockers, they're fat. If someone is skinny, I will also call them skinny. But by your reasoning, if you're say, I don't know, between the ages of 13-20, it's rude if I call you a teenager, even though you are one. I don't know where you're going with this.

I don't respond to ad hominem attacks.

Ah, the American description of a teenager? Here we have a big difference between a teenager and an semi-adult, and it has nothing to do with the age. :D So it's pointless to argue about this matter. It is also funny how you can call people fat if they're skinny as Black.
And no need to respond to ad hominem, I didn't even mean it as one (hard to even see where you ripped it off from) and I am not waiting for you to answer to an "effect" (couldn't make up a better word that I know.)

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

I'm just a chick on the internet, who is going to give a shit whether I'm rude or the most precious little literary princess? I don't give a rat's ass if it was rude. Little miss Black is just going to have to deal with it.

Woah, didn't expect you to admit such a thing, I didn't even want you to call yourself a bitch. O.o But I got what I wanted, you admitted that you were rude and you admitted that it's not right to call people by names. But I'm still confused that you can underestimate the effect of words even if you study philosophy (yeah, had to stalk your profile.) But no need to explain about your personal life, I'm not really interested.

Oh yeah, and your comment about us being on the Internet (oh really? :D Said that to myself) made me think of the Internets limits. I've studied these already in mediapsychology but I haven't really thought of this from the celebrities' (or anyone who's in tv) aspect: one cannot mock a neighbor in Internet, but celebs can be mocked all the time. What is it in them? The aspect of them being in spotlight? The neighbor's law suit is acceptable but celebs' not in the minor cases. When does a person become-- I just realized how far we've gone from the original topic. :sweat: And this part isn't even for this sub-forum so ignore my escape to atmosphere.


OK, is there anyone here who can still rip off something new from this song? I feel that everything has been said already soooo... :3

Originally Posted by Isendor

It is also funny how you can call people fat if they're skinny as Black.
And no need to respond to ad hominem, I didn't even mean it as one (hard to even see where you ripped it off from) and I am not waiting for you to answer to an "effect" (couldn't make up a better word that I know.)

MISINTERPRETATION GALORE. I urge you to read my first ever post, come back to this one and change it. Or better yet, let me do that for you since you seem to have a whole lot of problems understanding what I've said.

She still insists on spending as much time as possible showering us with her face, which incidentally, got fatter after Friday so her 25 degree angle doesn't work anymore.

HER FACE GOT FATTER. Caps lock for better reasoning.
Face =/= not a person. Holy crap.

So basically you have no argument against me, since I didn't actually call anyone fat at all. Glad to have that done and over with.

Also.

Originally Posted by Isendor

Can I call you a language noobie and a pissed off kid just because your linguistic choices make you sound very rude and you show some lack of reading skills?

Originally Posted by Nikzor.org

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

Person A makes claim X.
Person B makes an attack on person A.
Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).

Better? Or do you not see yet where I "ripped" the fallacy from?

Originally Posted by Isendor

Woah, didn't expect you to admit such a thing, I didn't even want you to call yourself a bitch. O.o But I got what I wanted, you admitted that you were rude and you admitted that it's not right to call people by names.

Aw, cute. I didn't call myself a bitch. I didn't admit I was rude either. I said "I don't give a rat's ass if it was rude.", which is not actually admitting that I was rude, because I wasn't. Stating a fact =/= rudeness.

Originally Posted by Isendor

Oh yeah, and your comment about us being on the Internet (oh really? :D Said that to myself) made me think of the Internets limits. I've studied these already in mediapsychology but I haven't really thought of this from the celebrities' (or anyone who's in tv) aspect: one cannot mock a neighbor in Internet, but celebs can be mocked all the time. What is it in them? The aspect of them being in spotlight?

Yes. It comes with the fame, so they have to deal with it. So does every celeb ass kisser.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

HER FACE GOT FATTER. Caps lock for better reasoning.
Face =/= not a person. Holy crap.

So basically you have no argument against me, since I didn't actually call anyone fat at all. Glad to have that done and over with.

Face is part of the body (Oh really? Again to myself) and thus marking that it has become fatter can easily be considered rude. Unless you're from the good-old-times when a girl was supposed to have weight... In modern days such notes do hurt some people, and thus I see no problem in my statement that it was unnecessary to note her fattier face. (Just came to my mind that what if she's getting depression? O.O How awful, she's too young for show business...) It is also odd that we've focused on this matter, I originally used your post to note that some people go over with the verbal mocking (your first post is easily understood as a hostile argument, I don't bother to quote it all here. ("butthurt, insists on spending time with showering us with her face", "lot of fake in the video") I considered this as something that has upset db8ann and made her think that every Black hater sends her a death treats. (If you hadn't read every post here: no, I don't think that anyone here has sent one.)

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

Better? Or do you not see yet where I "ripped" the fallacy from?

Yeees, but I still think that you've ripped it from "a corner", my statement was about the fact that you seem to think that people can write anything on Internet "just because they're on Internet and are still chicks." I tried to tell you this by bringing it closer to you.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

Aw, cute. I didn't call myself a bitch. I didn't admit I was rude either. I said "I don't give a rat's ass if it was rude.", which is not actually admitting that I was rude, because I wasn't. Stating a fact =/= rudeness.

*Sigh* I think that neither of us understands the other, we're just presuming things here to make ourselves look shinier. But since you insist:

Originally Posted by Isendor

But no, I can't call you names just because we're having a small debate here and because I don't totally disagree with you (plus we're on Internet now...) Some things are just part of good manner. Heard of 'em? You should use your dictionary again if not.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

I'll give you this one, but tone down the ad hominem

THIS is what I was referring to. And sadly, yes:

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

Am I a bitch? Yes I am.

You hate this, ('cause I'm just too cute! :D] but you're not a bitch if you stand up for yourself here.

Originally Posted by NeuzaKC

Yes. It comes with the fame, so they have to deal with it. So does every celeb ass kisser.

I believe that this is about basic human rights. Posting neighbor's bikini pics to Internet (and taking ones!) is serious sexual harassment but nobody even questionies if it was right or wrong to publish Diana Spencer's bikini pics. And we know where these things led... Even media's overindulge is sickening when Spears or Lohan flashes accidently. O.O When did these people even agree to such treatments? And it is not always about loving celebs, it is merely about questioning some things in this world. But this matter is far away from the thread's topic.

OK, posting this now since I have to go away for a while but I'll edit it a bit soon.

This was all very funny before but now it's getting boring sicne you're bringing nothing new to the conversation. So here's what I have to say: again not giving a shit if I was rude, her face is fat and I'll say it as many times as I want to say it. Don't give a crap if it's rude to call someone fat, you admitted to go to my profile so you should have noted that I call them like I see them. Don't give a shit either if anyone thinks my arguments were "hostile", they're all accurate. Bitches do stand up for themselves, unless you're talking about a female dog, so that statement of yours was completely out of place. As for that last part, if Britney Spears and Lindsey Lohan weren't such sluts and actually wore underwear every once in a while, maybe they wouldn't have "accidental" flashes. So ta-da, I think I wrapped that up quite nicely.

Actually you could've wrapped it all better in the very first post: "Sorry if my post seemed hostile, I didn't mean it as one." And thus manners win long, (empty at the end) debates. I liked this at first but I didn't really learn anything from you, and that's what I'm always seeking from these. :( But here's my tip: you can't go around this world by ,mhh, let's call it poking because you'll get angry to whatever I say here, people who misunderstand you or think otherwise. But you're still young, go out to meet different kind of people.

And good that we can end this now, I don't really like when young girls appreciate the word "bitch" even the slightest like you seem to do here, that way they let everyone else call them as ones, and be treated as ones.

Oh yeah, and since you ignored Diana: she was merely in love. Spears and Lohan are more complicated cases but they're human too But there's no need to discuss this here anymore, it's (repeating) not part of this thread or sub-forum.

Loppu.