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08-20-2015, 06:30 PM
Ok, everyone always seems to go straight for the fat shaming area "oh but its unhealthy and your promoting obesity".... no there not, your the one taking it like an asshole. Overweight doesn't mean unhealthy... all disney princesses are basically anorexic which is unhealthy. I'd like to see a realistic size DP, someone who isn't a size 0. Maybe a princess who is between a size 14 - 18, which is a very common size nowerdays (i think thats around a medium in american sizes)
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08-21-2015, 03:53 AM
Okay- Can we get one thing straight? A "skinny" physique doesn't immediately suggest a healthy or athletic person. A "fat" physique doesn't immediately suggest an unhealthy or obese person.
Health comes in a lot of different shapes and sizes. So the "A fat princess will encourage unhealthy children." argument is a load of bullshit. And suggesting that all the Disney princesses HAVE to be skinny because they're athletic is another load of bullshit.
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08-21-2015, 04:30 AM
Ain't that the truth.
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Actually this fascination with boneiness began with the meat rationing during the 2 big wars.
Before that plump was in.
People often forget that we r after all mammals & mammals carry a given amount of fat.
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08-21-2015, 05:45 AM
yeah I find that Disney is kinda like that popular click of girls in a book who think that you have to be or look a certain way to be defined as "Princess". I mean it took them many many decades to finally get a African American princess. (princess and the frog) so imagine how long itll take for them to get a real girl with curves princess. Disney reallly should start thinking about theese kinda things. I think your idea is so on point.
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08-22-2015, 04:37 PM
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Ok, everyone always seems to go straight for the fat shaming area "oh but its unhealthy and your promoting obesity".... no there not, your the one taking it like an asshole. Overweight doesn't mean unhealthy... all disney princesses are basically anorexic which is unhealthy. I'd like to see a realistic size DP, someone who isn't a size 0. Maybe a princess who is between a size 14 - 18, which is a very common size nowerdays (i think thats around a medium in american sizes)
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Just want to chime in and say that's a large to extra large in American sizes.
So those sizes are considered unhealthy here by those standards. 14-18 is also considered plus sized a lot. Just pointing out the stigma.
Interruption over. Please continue. :)
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08-22-2015, 07:39 PM
So, based on that picture it is safe to conclude that the Disney princesses are one of 3 body types. It's not "Oh we don't have a heavy princess", it's "All the Disney princesses are the same body type".
Last I checked there are no heavy princesses to my knowledge. Sure. However you don't hear anyone complaining that there aren't any muscular princesses do you?
Obesity is an epidemic in America right now. Sure there are the naturally large people, but they are a minority to the morbidly obese people. The majority of obese people in our country right now is because people are lethargic and consuming too much. This means there are a lot of heavy people, which is why in modern times there is a cry for a heavy Disney princess.
On the other hand, I never hear people asking for a muscular princess. Does the heavy group want equality? Or do they simply want a princess that excuses their habits?
While we're asking, why don't we ask for properly sized eyes and realistic hair. Additionally, we can ask that predators be properly depicted, such as simba eating timone and pumba instead of living off of insects, and the hyenas following a female alpha instead of a lion, and animals that don't show unnaturally high intelligence.
Simply put, the reason that there is only one body type is because it's a cartoon and they can draw it however they want (which most artists have a specific style they do). They can make natural enemies friends and hair defies all physics and even has magic.
Seriously let me put some emphasis that last part. MAGIC. There is MAGIC in these stories. Meaning they are not created to be realistic.
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08-22-2015, 07:58 PM
I just remembered that Disney debuted their new character Moana at the recent D23 expo. She looks like a step in the right direction for healthy, more realistic body types.
Also, she is a POC. So Disney is at least starting to try. However, they have had bad results with princesses of color in the past. Princess and the Frog flopped, generally speaking. Whether or not that was because Tiana was POC is up for debate. Either way, hopefully Moana does well as it is a step in the right direction for better representation on the body front, and the ethnicity/race front.
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08-24-2015, 03:29 AM
The main flaw with your argument is that you're determined to equate small with healthy and large with obese. As I keep trying to show you, health comes in all shapes and sizes. That means that people can be large- chubby or even fat- without being unhealthy and certainly without being obese. And these people do deserve more representation in the media- not because they need an excuse for an unhealthy lifestyle but because they are healthy, despite their size, and they're not abnormal or unhealthy for looking different- larger- than other people who are equally healthy.
Also- Really? If everything is magic and nothing has to be realistic, then why does Ariel need to be skinny because she swims all the time. Everything is magic- She can be morbidly obese and still swim all the time, and you can't call anyone out on it because "magic." This is a stupid argument, can we drop this one right now?
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08-24-2015, 11:21 PM
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The main flaw with your argument is that you're determined to equate small with healthy and large with obese. As I keep trying to show you, health comes in all shapes and sizes. That means that people can be large- chubby or even fat- without being unhealthy and certainly without being obese. And these people do deserve more representation in the media- not because they need an excuse for an unhealthy lifestyle but because they are healthy, despite their size, and they're not abnormal or unhealthy for looking different- larger- than other people who are equally healthy.
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What is your definition of "healthy"? I ask, not to be sarcastic, but because I'm genuinely curious. At what point is someone labeled unhealthy? I honestly don't know. Personally, I don't think "obese people are always unhealthy" so much as "obesity negatively impacts your health".
So I agree and disagree with you on this point. I agree that we can't look at someone and instantly know all of their medical conditions and history. Photos are just a snapshot of someone at a certain point in their life. Where I disagree is that you seem to suggest that obesity has nothing to do with health. The fact is, over time being overweight will impact your level of health: Study: There's No Such Thing As Healthy Obesity
So yes, you could be obese and "in good health" today. ("Good health", in this case, I define as lacking any conditions that impair your quality of life and ability to function normally.) But you are not likely to maintain that level of healthiness if you remain at that obese weight or continue to gain weight.
I know a lot of people dislike comparing obesity to smoking, but I think it's a fair comparison to think about in how both influence health long-term. As someone gradually gains weight, they aren't instantly "unhealthy" just like a smoker isn't instantly "unhealthy" the moment they start smoking. But over the long term, extra weight and smoking does damage to your body that can negatively impact your health. Some people live long lives despite being heavy smokers - after all, an increased risk of cancer doesn't guarantee you will develop it - but I think you'd agree that the act of smoking is not "healthy".
I think the same is true for gaining a lot of weight beyond what the body is designed to handle. Our bodies are super resilient and adaptive, so many people can live long lives despite being obese, but I think even "healthy" obese people would have improved qualities of life if they did not have 50+ lbs of excess body fat. The risks for comorbidities (aka conditions that develop because of another condition, in this case obesity) increases the longer you are obese and the higher body fat percentage you have.
Here are some of the comorbidities associated with obesity:
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Source: Comorbidities of overweight and obesity: current evidence and research issues. - PubMed - NCBI
So even if a woman has been obese for decades and doesn't have diabetes or arthritis and seems overall pretty healthy, she still has a higher risk for certain types of cancer, stroke, and heart failure (all of which are among the top causes of death in adults).
Sadly, I know from experience this isn't just hypothetical.  My grandpa just died and he was obese for as long as I can remember (so at least 20 years). He lived to the ripe old age of 80, so you could argue he's a good example of "healthy despite being fat", but I don't know if I can say he was really "healthy" even before he contracted the pneumonia that eventually killed him. The fact is, he barely moved at all since he would get winded after just short walks. He was always red in the face and looked exhausted. He suffered from sleep apnea and had a heart attack at least once that we know of. Pneumonia was what killed him, but without a doubt his weight complicated things. Since he was always short of breath, no one noticed his symptoms right away. They took him in to get examined eventually, but his fat prevented a clear image from showing the damage in his lungs so the doctors thought he was fine. When he finally got a clearer scan and they realized he was near death, the performed an emergency surgery to remove the sick parts of his lungs. He made it through surgery, but obesity greatly increases risks of complications and increases time required for recovery. I think we all knew his days were numbered... And sadly we lost him just a few days after surgery, despite seeming to be on the mend.
I know that's all anecdotal, but he's not the only person in my family who is slowly but surely losing the battle against obesity now that they're older. It takes time, but the damage catches up to you.
I'm not saying obese people can't have long and happy lives. I'm just saying they will probably have a much rougher end to their lives than if they were a healthy weight. Whether maintaining a healthy weight is worth it or not is up to you, but personally I don't want to suffer like my grandpa did and my grandma and other obese relatives are.
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08-24-2015, 11:54 PM
I did not state that small meant healthy and large meant obese. That however does not mean that because for some people it's healthy, that the rest of the population can get heavy without any adverse effects. As the first post states, it is common knowledge that obesity is an epidemic in a number of countries. Being of a heavier size is one thing, while being obese is entirely different. Most healthy heavy individuals I have seen were not lethargic, they expended energy just like everyone else. Those weight lifters in the picture for example, they do weight lifting which burns energy and calories while building up muscles.
The excuse that being heavy is normal does not stand here, because while there are certain body types which are larger than others, there is a scientifically proven rise in obesity in the world. It wasn't until this rise in obesity that I started to hear people complaining that there isn't an overweight princess.
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08-25-2015, 02:16 AM
In regards to this argument, I would define a person healthy if their fat doesn't endanger their health. So I'm not trying to argue that obesity is healthy- Obesity is defined as having enough fat that it puts you at risk for certain health problems. But that's the thing- Fat doesn't make you obese. Too much fat makes you obese. And everyone wears fat in different ways, so even people who have healthy amounts of fat will all look different. And none of them should feel like they're abnormal or unhealthy because they don't have the hourglass figure. Not everyone can be an hourglass- That's just genetics. Some of us have the perfect amount of fat and it'll all sit on our butt, so we'll be a triangle. Or it'll all sit on our stomach so we'll be round. It just happens, and we should be proud of our healthy bodies, even if they're not hourglass bodies.
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08-25-2015, 02:41 AM
So, instead of asking for specifically an "overweight" princess, wouldn't it be more logical to simply ask for a "realistic" princess?
Though I guess in the long run I think people need to stop using media as their source of "what is normal". The media is always going to be warped by what is popular. For women it is filled with thin scantily clad women, and for men it's filled with strong muscular men.
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08-25-2015, 03:42 AM
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In regards to this argument, I would define a person healthy if their fat doesn't endanger their health. So I'm not trying to argue that obesity is healthy- Obesity is defined as having enough fat that it puts you at risk for certain health problems. But that's the thing- Fat doesn't make you obese. Too much fat makes you obese. And everyone wears fat in different ways, so even people who have healthy amounts of fat will all look different. And none of them should feel like they're abnormal or unhealthy because they don't have the hourglass figure. Not everyone can be an hourglass- That's just genetics. Some of us have the perfect amount of fat and it'll all sit on our butt, so we'll be a triangle. Or it'll all sit on our stomach so we'll be round. It just happens, and we should be proud of our healthy bodies, even if they're not hourglass bodies.
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I agree to a point. I definitely agree that all bodies are different and we are genetically predispositioned to carry weight in different areas. But even just 20lbs extra can make a big difference on your health and energy. The sad thing is a lot of people these days have been overweight so long that they don't know what it feels like to be any different.
I certainly didn't look or feel overweight most of my life. I played sports year round and didn't eat that terribly. But I started putting on some extra weight in college since my activity levels dropped dramatically while my diet stayed the same. Even just 10~15lbs heavier I felt a huge difference in my health. Instead of accepting it as inevitable, I made a lifestyle change and ended up lighter than I started. I realized that the fat on my thighs that I assumed were just "how I was meant to be" could actually disappear too.
I don't think everyone can or should be "model thin", but I do think most people could improve their health by changing the quality & quantity of their food and increasing their physical activity. But I'm not speaking as someone who has it all figured out.  I know I need to be more active and snack less often, but it's hard to do in a full-time work schedule.
And yes, "skinny fat" people do exist, but they're also at risk of fat collecting around their organs which is a big health risk too: Skinny Fat: The Hidden Dangers of Being Thin and Flabby It's not just about size, it's about what we eat and how active we are. Even people who eat healthy portion sizes can be unhealthy because they don't eat a balanced diet and are inactive.
I don't know if "ignoring the media" is a good answer. Honestly, I think role-models are really important now because people are losing the ability to recognize when weight is "too much" these days because the majority of people are overweight. That's really concerning, especially since parents are having trouble recognizing whether or not their children are overweight. An Overlooked Cause Of Childhood Obesity: Parents Can't Recognize Their Child's Weight Problems
So I think having "realistically proportioned" role-models for women and girls are good. I think Mona's design is a step in the right direction. Lilo's sister Nani is another example of a Disney character that was drawn realistically. But they're cartoons, so we can't expect complete realism. The size of real-life models does seem to be getting better now that people have drawn attention to anorexia and other eating disorders. I just hope we don't replace the unhealthily thin models of the past with unhealthily overweight models like Tess Holliday. Neither are good representatives, in my opinion.
And thanks for the reasoned responses.  I wish we could have a more open dialogue with kids about what healthy nutrition and exercise looks like without it being emotionally charged. It would have helped me a lot of I'd learned how to cook in school and was taught how big a portion size should be.
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08-26-2015, 01:44 AM
No, I don't think it would be more logical to ask for a "realistic" princess because that would imply that the current princesses are unrealistic. And that's not entirely true- From a strictly "What (healthy) body types exist?" point of view, some people are just naturally thin or hourglass shaped when they're within a healthy weight range. (Although I do think that some princesses push the envelope between having a healthy, realistic body and an anorexic body.) There's nothing unrealistic about being an hourglass- I just feel that they've had enough representation in Disney, and it might raise the morale of the healthy triangles and circles and other shapes of the world and help them feel less self-conscious and unhealthy if Disney (and other media) started introducing more variety into their cast.
I understand the concern about people "taking advantage" of seeing different kinds of bodies in the media to convince themselves that they're healthy because their unhealthy body resembles someone else's healthy body, but let's not act like this is unique to the "dangerously fat" side of the health spectrum- For example- Some people will have a thigh gap at a healthy weight, others will not. But people from the later still tell themselves, "This person in the media has a thigh gap and they're healthy. So I'm not anorexic, I'm also healthy!"
In the end- No one knows for sure other than your health care professional. There's no use arguing, "If we glorify this body type, it will make others healthy!" because there is not a single body type we can glorify without convincing some healthy people that they're unhealthy or some unhealthy people that they're healthy. (Of course, this excludes body types that are always- literally always- unhealthy, such as ones that show very clear and obvious symptoms of malnutrition or obesity. These should never be glorified.) So I don't think its fair to make having a fat Disney princess about health- You're all making a big fuss about a fat Disney princess being a bad influence on people who are naturally thin when they're healthy, but then why is there no equal big fuss about the thin Disney princesses being a bad influence on people who are naturally fat when they're healthy?
This isn't about encouraging people to be complacent or giving them excuses. Its not about telling people that they're not healthy if they're fat- Its about telling people that there are a variety of body types and that they're not immediately unhealthy if they're fat.
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08-26-2015, 07:12 AM
I think we're just disagreeing on technicalities because I agree with what you're saying. The reason I've been arguing from a health standpoint is because the title of this thread is "overweight princess" not "fat/chubby princess" implying that they want to see a princess that is overweight (i.e. has enough body fat to be considered unhealthy by medical professionals).
If you're arguing for princesses that are in the healthy weight range, just not hourglass, then I completely agree with you. I agree with you that other body shapes would be great, be they apple, pear, or small bust/hips.  More variety would be nice.
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08-26-2015, 08:08 AM
I don't understand arguing this topic from a health perspective because every single body type you could care to popularize in the media will be unhealthy to at least one person in the audience. So I consider this a nonissue because its always going to be an issue- And if we're going to avoid showing fat bodies because we may encourage obesity, we'd also have to stop showing thin bodies because we may encourage anorexia. There's just no winning for any body type if we argue it from a health perspective.
But if we do assume that this princess isn't just fat but actually overweight- I think whether its acceptable or not depends on "how" overweight. I think its fine to choose to be overweight, as long as you're informed and still self-sufficient. There's usually no such taboo on characters- positive, popular characters- who make sub-optimal life choices and still end up successful. There are heroes who are smokers. There are company presidents who are college drop-outs. Why can't there a successful princess who is overweight?
With all the Disney princesses who make poor life choices and still end up with happy endings, I don't know why this particular poor life choice- choosing to be "managably" overweight- has to be scrutinized. Ariel and Merida taught us to run away from our families and make deals with suspicious strangers for a chance at true love. Mulan taught us to handle our insecurities by joining the army. Belle taught us to turn the other cheek when a man is abusive towards you. And a fat princess who teaches us that... its not always bad to be fat... is going to be a problem?
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08-26-2015, 02:50 PM
I think there's a difference between showing unhealthy body weights and promoting them. Show me a picture of an anerexic woman or an obese woman and I don't aspire to be either. But add a message (like "Real women look like this.") and suddenly I'm comparing my body to those women and thinking about the message. Now whether or not I believe it or feel encouraged/discouraged, I think it's still provocative. I think context is important.
But those kinds of obvious messages are something seen in advertisements, online "news" sites, and blogs more than movies.
So anyway, let's forget the health angle for now. Another thing to consider is what "Disney princesses" tend to represent. I think the reason people get so riled up about the idea of an intentionally unhealthy overweight princess is because Disney Princesses are sold as ideals/dreams to little girls. Yes, they make mistakes and have character flaws in the movies, but that's not how they are marketed. All of the merchadise shows them in their princess gowns, regardless of how long they spent in the movie wearing other things. I think it's good that Disney is getting more inclusive about women from different ethnicities and socio-economic backgrounds, but they all end up basically as decorations as far as marketing is concerned. Little girls (conventionally) want to dress up like the princess in her poofy gown and tiara and Disney is happy to provide.
So why not a fat princess? Sadly, I think the most realistic answer is because it might not sell as well. But times are changing, so maybe the trend of tomboy, independent princesses will continue and we'll start to see merchandise follow suit.
I dunno, sorry this is a weak argument but my heart isn't in it any more. I'm sure Disney could come up with a kickass princess who is kind of chubby. I just don't think it will happen in a way that makes everyone happy.
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08-26-2015, 04:53 PM
I don't like the "real women" campaign either. That's the reason I was against asking for a "realistic" princess opposed to an "overweight" princess- Real women are real women. They can be thin or fat or healthy or unhealthy, and its not anyone's place to attack someone's gender and femininity over their body. I don't think the media needs more fat women because fat women are "real" women, I think the media needs more fat women because women come in all shapes and sizes, and they're all real women.
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09-02-2015, 03:39 AM
It's a cartoon...
Yes, that is my intellegent response to this whole topic.
Cartoons, which tend to have dispoportionate people.
For princesses? Well, princesses are thought up to be thin and beautiful - not overweight . Let Disney do their thing and stop overthinking this!
I have never felt like these Disney princesses are sending a message of any sort. Do they need to drink some milkshakes? Yes, but I don't see why there needs to be an overweight Disney princess to balance anything out - or for the means of being diverse.
This being said, I don't see any reason why they can't give the poor cartoon princesses a LITTLE bit of a waist. The back problems they must have!
No, I am not fat shaming - this is not fat shaming, this is me saying that it is a cartoon. Disney is exaggerating princesses' weight. They're overtly skinny and UNREALISTICALLY so. Like I said, it's fiction, a cartoon - anywho that is my two cents. I honestly don't understand why this even had to become a topic for discussion..not to be rude. xD
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09-04-2015, 04:25 PM
I'm fond of the movie "Shrek" cuz the chubby girl wins in the end....especially when Shrek tells her that she IS beautiful.
It sends a nice message to my granddaughter....that beauty isn't always seen with the eyes.
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09-19-2015, 10:57 PM
I mean, to add my thoughts in, I don't know how I'd feel about it. I really think it matters how they portray it.
a lot of the 'skinny' Disney princesses were either a result in art style or due to the fact that they were rather active individuals.
I saw someone bring up Frozen, and I thought that they were fairly healthy looking characters. Definitely not 'skinny.'
Nani (I think that's her name) in Lilo and Stitch has, in my opinion, the most accurate portrayal of an attractive woman with a normal body. She doesn't look like she's starving, and considering the art style, that would really be skinny. She looks thin, but a bit thicker in build. She looks pretty much like a normal human being.
With an overweight character it depends on well, how overweight. I think it also depends on the general message. If it sports something like "it's ok to be fat" I don't know how I'd feel about that. I know some people can't help it due to various diseases (myself included in terms of I don't have the ability to lose weight or exercise due to health conditions, but I manage to stay around 140--average for my height), but I just think they'd have to be really careful to send the right message. To make it so it shows "overweight people aren't any worse or better than thin people" yet not have it support the idea of gaining an unhealthy amount of weight.
I don't mind them doing this, but they'd have to handle the portrayal very carefully and disney well.. I don't know how much faith I'd have in them to do it well.
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09-27-2015, 09:03 PM
For the most part, I don't support this.
While I understand and appreciate that the thought process here is to instill self-esteem by encouraging acceptance of all body types, pretty much any overweight protagonist who is portrayed in a positive light in spite is going to come with a suggestion that there is nothing wrong with being overweight which is NOT always true.
Being overweight isn't just about appearance, it can represent poor health that can lead to early problems such as diabetes and heart disease. Another factor in why the overweight are unattractive can be because they advertise that they don't care about themselves. Self-esteem/confidence, I believe is among what attracts people most, particularly men and while someone who is overweight can like themselves despite that's once again insinuating that there is nothing wrong with being overweight.
So see how it would be tricky? No, an overweight body type isn't always an indication of poor health, just as exceedingly skinny body types don't always indicate anorexia, but it CAN be which is enough to make it a risk.
Now an overweight princess who learns new self-respect and loses the weight would be an all around positive portrayal, but that doesn't exactly instill the message desired here that all body types are acceptable. To do that you'd need an in between body type, a small pot belly type of figure somewhat like Abigail Breslin's character in the film 'Little Miss Sunshine' (Google if you don't know it, I recommend it though, it's funny as hell) and maybe even add in some other less than perfect traits such as a pigeon toe stand.
That, I'd support.
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12-08-2015, 07:15 PM
The whole Disney thing is iffy.
I am average size.
Seeing a overweight Disney Princess... I can't say if it really affects me.
I've never modeled myself after any characters I've watched in Movies/TV.
I can understand the girl who petitioned to have Disney make one. I just don't see why she's comparing herself to the Disney Princesses? She's too old to have an attachment to them and makes her entire argument weak. Plus, change.org can't do anything to change Disney's mind or any other company. The petition is just vote trafficking, if anything.
But 50% of her reasoning opens a gateway to those who will use it as an excuse to remain heavy.
I know a lot of people personally who do that. Not everyone does, I understand, but its there.
In all honesty/reality, adults/teens need to stop trying to correct a animated media. It's not real and the characters are not real people. Trying to force or petition for a character to represent something that is global issue or a real battle for those who are overweight is not going to be any kind of real achievement. They need to look for real people.
An animated character never really grows, they don't face all the kinds of depression real life brings and they cannot connect to real people. All they have is similarities to issues or emotions but you cannot put yourself in their shoes because their environment or timeline does not align with our reality. It's all about imagination and escape.
Disney, especially, is all about the health reform. Obama's wife has even been on Disney to promote healthy choices. If you've watched Disney channel there have only been a couple of real heavy weight characters on there. But it never lasts. After a year or so, they lose weight or promote losing weight. Most of them even get gastric by-pass, tummy tucks and liposuction when they've earned enough income.
Remember Drake & Josh on Nickelodeon?
The one who played Josh was extremely heavy and it took him a long time to control his weight.
Before & After Photo: http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73...2b0e2f8f8e.jpg
Has anyone watched Mike and Molly?
That show depicts to overweight couple that are fighting to diet, be together, family problems and going to OEA (over eaters anonymous) meetings. I would think shows like that would mean more and achieve more movement than a animated cartoon.
I'm just trying to speak of this objectively, though. I don't see how an older teen has any impact on the Princesses since she is of age and should be confident in her own body and not rely on trying to reform an animated media. What would mean more to me is if the actual KIDS FORMERLY EMPLOYED by Disney spoke out since they have more of an inside view of Disney than anyone else.
If you really want kids and others to have a wholesome experience, then just watch Cartoon Network. They've implemented a lot of average/heavty weight characters in most of all their shows now. Especially Steven Universe and Clarence.
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The Wandering Poet
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12-09-2015, 05:08 PM
I've been thinking on this subject for a while lately. I know that losing weight is hard, but every single person who I have heard claim "Oh I can't physically lose weight" has been too lazy to keep up the active lifestyle. Even doing something as simple as cutting out fast food and soda. Start eating more healthy meals. Have smaller portions. It's not that complicated.
The biggest concern with this idea of an overweight Disney princess is that I have seen children modeling themselves after Disney princesses. If that Disney princess had that body image, and that image for children is very impactful, they may end up wanting to be more like them. They are, after all, much like child role models. Some might say "I didn't do that", well good for you, but even if only 10% of children are impacted in this way, that's a lot of children.
People seem to forget that obesity kills. Just a quick search tells me 20% of people are directly killed by obesity. That's over 60 million people of our current population in the U.S.
So lets say that those previously mentioned children are added into this. 15 million children are already statistically fated to die from obesity, and if only 10% of children are affected by Disney making an overweight princess, that's 7.5 million children. Even just 1% is nearly 750,000 children.
So even just the risk of it potentially affecting 1% of children is huge.
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Chikyu
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12-09-2015, 05:46 PM
I'm looking forward to Moana and hope Disney makes it a great one! Especially since she's a POC and I didn't like The Princess and the Frog...
Last edited by Chikyu; 12-09-2015 at 05:58 PM..
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