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01-03-2008, 02:28 AM
I found myself thinking that as the years passed some bands have changed. Like for example Green Day. They meant everything to every punker kid that ever lived, at least so I think, but now a days their sound seems to have changed.
Another example is My Chemical Romance.
Their album "Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge" wasn't one of my favorites, but "Welcome To The Black Parade" is one of my favs.
Maybe I'm just picky about what songs I like and which I don't....
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What bands have you noticed changed?
Before and after, which did/do you like better?
Do you feel that some of the changes made are good or bad?
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01-03-2008, 02:34 AM
- [list:1dd9e337ff]I'm honestly worried when bands don't change. Music is meant to evolve. I don't think I'd listen to any of the artists I like if they didn't show any progression in their styles. Hearing bands mature is part of the fun of being a fan
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01-03-2008, 02:36 AM
I've noticed those bands change as well.
I wasn't ever fond of either of them, though, so I can't relate; but they've become more generalized, almost like a household item - only more specifically for teens.
Something everyone must have... Or else they're not included in the discussion! That sort of thing. xD
I myself tend to go toward more random music that can be classified as completely enjoyable by me. I could care less what's out there, and so I've been looked at oddly for disliking this or that... But that's high school. ;-P
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01-03-2008, 02:37 AM
@ Alain:
Yeah that's a good point, but it irks me ever so much when people will just stop liking a band because they changed. I mean I think in almost the same direction as you do, but at the same time I don't want them to change and feel that their new music is horrid.
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@ Facade:
lol yeah I get that feeling too. "That's no band! It's a household term!" lol But for the most part kids need something to look up to other then super skinny super models and steroid using sports players...so it's not all bad.
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01-03-2008, 02:53 AM
Yeah, but I mean, even these bands are getting generalized - like the super skinny models, or steroid using sports players; the bands are forming a probably more positive role model, but it's still getting generalized... I just mean that I hear EVERY kid talking about Green Day or My Chemical Romance. xP Nothing against them, it's just that they're a big fad right now... Which can get annoying, but it's not like I'm complaining - that much... ^^'
My friends got to meet Pete Wentz [he's either a lead singer or guitarist or whatever in My Chem] personally; they had their picture taken and everything! They got backstage passes... All I remember is that they were thrilled, and they kept saying, "OMG PETE WENTZ IS SOOO HOT." Pretty annoying, since that was back in the beginning of November, and it doesn't seem like they're about to stop talking about him. x3
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01-03-2008, 03:01 AM
Oh my you are surrounded by generic people lol. I'm sorry.
Pete Wentz is from Fall Out Boy though XD;
I know that I can't stand it when a band becomes generic because people who listen to Ashley Simpson can turn around and say "Oh My Chem? I luv them!" and I just wanna smack them and say "oh yeah!? What's your favorite song of the I Brought You My Bullets, You Brought Me your Love album." I'm responded with silence. It's kinda funny actually...
But I'm odd and I like all kinds of music so picking on them because they like what's "new" isn't all that fair.
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01-03-2008, 03:16 AM
XD
Yeah, oops. My bad, I don't know these bands. >___<
Either way, my friends met Pete, yada yada! xD All that matters, since I'm ignorant like that. <3
Yet, indeed, I'm ENGULFED BY CROWDS OF GENERIC PEOPLE! I dunno if it's because I'm in a suburb of Philadelphia [not to brand Philly as being generic-land-r-us, but I'm saying I'm from Philly to be more specific] and that everyone at my high school is superficial, and that we have NO gay community except for me [the only gay guy] and one lesbian; not to mention that my school is entirely made up of slobby spoiled kids who are egotistical to no end, and constantly just being... themselves... but yeah, our school's plagued with all of this crap involving "hot" bands... Which I think suck.
I'd rather not list them, since I'm off to bed, but yeah, take my word for it. >=D
I'm not pointing out certain cliques, FYI. Mainly because we're pretty much clique-free, or at least stereotypical-clique-free; people stay within their own groups of friends for the most part, true, but they're not all -THIS- stereotype, or -THAT- stereotype... We're just a bunch of teens with their own groups, that's all.
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01-03-2008, 03:21 AM
Yeah I know what you mean. When I lived with my aunt in her town it was WAY different from the 'ghetto' that I was used to. Oh the sheltered kids lol. But I'm all grown up now, or so I keep telling myself, and I get to choose what I listen too.
Though I must admit that what everyone else likes can influence you every once in a while.
Though back on topic. People tend to like whats 'in' because it makes them like everyone else, even if what's 'in' is something completely different then what they like. Sadly my little sister is a generic kid as well. She like Nelly and The Rascal Flats and Paramore. I'm so sad for her.
EDIT! You say you're off to bed then I'll say night night!
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01-03-2008, 03:35 AM
Damn, I blame MTV for the blasphemy of generic music listeners, it's prolly just me, but I hate it when people can say something like, "Oh I like just about everything nowadays." But when they say that, they pretty mean everything thats popular these days. People should see through all these things and listen to music for what it is. :C
But to be on more topic, change is always nice, I like it when a band progresses a lot, even if it ends up alienating me, or some other fan.
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01-03-2008, 03:41 AM
Yeah. I feel that music isn't just as one sided as it used to be.
I agree though, people who like music only because it's popular..............They irk the hell out of me. I turn into a demon whenever that topic comes up lol.
I do like how music is opening people to different possibilities though. They don't HAVE to like one kind of music just because it's the only kind they can relate to.
A lot of the time it isn't about what it sounds like, but what it's saying. That's why I like music and I feel that's how it should be.
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01-03-2008, 04:04 AM
I like it when bands evolve (indeed, I agree that artistic maturation is crucial to being a good band), but I don't like it when bands seem to sell out. I don't care if they're making money or signed a major record label or anything like that, but it's when they start putting money before music (and making poor, un-innovative music because of it) that I start to tune out. It really stinks to have a band that used to be really genuine starts producing shallow music with shallow lyrics and uncreative music.
And sometimes, even a good band and I will part ways. Sometimes I only like a band's earlier or later stuff because I only relate to that era of their music, even if all of their albums are creative and well-performed.
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01-03-2008, 04:11 AM
Do you feel that's fair though? Sometimes it's not their fault that they are producing generic music. I mean they aren't superhuman and can be influenced like everyone else when it comes to music.
Or what if they changed the style of music they perform because they actually like it? Then who are we to call them sell outs?
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01-03-2008, 05:20 AM
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Do you feel that's fair though? Sometimes it's not their fault that they are producing generic music. I mean they aren't superhuman and can be influenced like everyone else when it comes to music.
Or what if they changed the style of music they perform because they actually like it? Then who are we to call them sell outs?
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It's possible, but I don't think it's likely. Most bands who are genuinely exploring discover at least something semi-original that they like, even if it's just a throwback to something everybody used to do but now doesn't (like the classical piano in some of the Panic! at the Disco songs). Even if the musicians did like the crappy unoriginal stuff they were putting out, though, there is no artistic value in if an album where every track sounds like every other track. The reason I respect musicians is because they are artists; when they stop being artists and start being copycats, they lose my interest and my respect.
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01-03-2008, 05:28 AM
At the same time though it isn't about copying others' I don't think, for the most part, that they intentionally do it. It just sorta happens.
And you can't bag them all. I mean I hear a lot of shit about My Chemical Romance and how they changed, but they simply tried going with something new. Some say they sold out but I think they were just trying new things out. Not everyone succeeds though.
Yes it's easy to lose respect when you feel that an artist is being a fake or they don't do their own lyrics, but at the same time not everyone is gifted with so much talent. I mean would you really just want bands taking it safe and putting out the same stuff on every new CD?
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01-03-2008, 05:45 AM
Well, I don't really know that much about MRC, so I don't know if I would consider them unoriginal or not. If they were really just trying some things out, I think that should be applauded, not condemned.
My whole thought about bands evolving is that they should try new stuff -- they just shouldn't start playing the same thing as everyone else. They should try to take their music to greater heights.
If they don't have the talent, that's cool. They can still play and enjoy doing it. But they'll probably never be a favorite of mine, and they probably won't be getting any of my money unless they have a really fantastic stage presence.
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01-03-2008, 04:46 PM
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- [list:c424ac8f50]I'm honestly worried when bands don't change. Music is meant to evolve. I don't think I'd listen to any of the artists I like if they didn't show any progression in their styles. Hearing bands mature is part of the fun of being a fan
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Well said. :3
Some bands can progress for the better, going for a different sound but still staying true to their roots, as long as they don't get generally mopier/lyrics become less quality/arrangements become sloppy as time goes by like one certain band that won't be named. D:<
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01-07-2008, 10:07 PM
Every band I know changed in a way, some changed alot, other changed a little.
One of my favourite bands that made the biggest change I think was Radiohead. At first they were rock, then they mixed with a bit more of an experimental style, and after that even became minimal and progressive! O.o
Theyre still really good in my opinion though! =D
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01-08-2008, 12:38 AM
Yeah, the most notable band change is Green Day. I really liked their old stuff, but I don't like their new songs all that much. It's not that I don't listen to it because it's "new," I just prefer the old "Dookie" days over "American Idiot". It's all a matter of preference. Besides, I wasn't a hardcore Green Day fan. Their song played on the radio, and I liked it. As for My Chemical Sodomy, Fallout Pedobait, and Panic! @ the Gaybar, I never liked them.
There's nothing wrong with change. Change is a good thing. Music changes with the times, with the people.
There's only one reason to call a band a sellout: If they they go against everything they stood for before because of money. Their lyrics and sound don't have anything to do with that.
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01-08-2008, 12:44 AM
Well said Kiwi. lol I just other people (Tweek) thought like that. Sadly if everybody likes a band suddenly they become lame or too "generic" for him. A lot of people think like that now a days though.
Don't make fun of Panic! :gonk:
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01-08-2008, 12:46 AM
But I'm not making fun of them, that's just what I call them. Panic! @ the gaybar. It sounds a lot cooler. o:
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01-08-2008, 01:55 AM
lol okay sure. That makes me think of the song Gaybar....I love that song. I am eternally grateful to you for showing me Electric Six. Mucho love for you!
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01-08-2008, 11:55 PM
The Killers. : (
I LOVED Hot Fuss and how they used to sound. It was rich, and Brandon Flowers's voice was sooo amazing. Now, I do like a couple of songs on Sam's Town, but WHAT HAPPENED?! The Killers were an awesome Vegas-y type alternative rock n roll band and now they're like cowboy pimps with too many back up vocals. And Brandon's voice is all shaky and BLAH. I was SO disappointed by their newer stuff. They redid a few of their old songs that weren't on Hot Fuss, that I LOVED, which were Under the Gun and Glamorous Indie Rock and Roll, but guess what? They butchered their own songs when they redid them.
This is just my opinion though. I don't want to bash anyone who likes them now.
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01-10-2008, 09:05 PM
Well, an artist's sound has to evolve at some point. Sometimes for the better, sometime for worse. It's only natural though, after all the artist is aging and their sound changes. 8)
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