Originally Posted by Knerd

Do you really believe that rape is something that can be condoned?
By saying that "he deserved it," don't you believe that you are simply buying into the same mindset as many rapists?

I don't care who a person is or what they have done, I will not wish rape upon them.

agreed

condoning him being raped would make me feel like i am like him.

wow, this is complicated. like Knerd and bloodyangel, I would not wish rape upon him because that is making the rest of us so the much more like him. If not lethal injection or death sentence, he should definitely get life in prison without possibility of parole. I would also isolate him from everyone else. It is the least he deserves.

Life in prison, with a whole lot of therapy and community service worked in somewhere in there. If I wasn't so strongly against the death penalty, it would be cases like this that I would reserve the death penalty for, but I don't believe that's a good solution.

Originally Posted by Lysine

Life in prison, with a whole lot of therapy and community service worked in somewhere in there. If I wasn't so strongly against the death penalty, it would be cases like this that I would reserve the death penalty for, but I don't believe that's a good solution.

I agree. I oppose the death penalty as well.
Let him suffer in prison for a while.

I'm honestly quite disturbed by this thread. What good does it do to have this guy torn apart or raped or castrated or any of the other horrific things I've seen mentioned? Seriously? It seems to me that the only problem that will solve is the one in our minds that something is wrong if people- people who have done terrible things, but people nonetheless- are not suffering.

I think he deserves a life sentence in prison, without bail or parole or whatever. No more, no less.

Life sentence.

Death sentance, if they take the human rights away of an innocent child then they must have their human rights taken away. Also I personally would not be pleased that my taxes were going toward keeping a monster like that alive.

@Tristina-Rosa:
Putting someone to death takes far, far more of your tax money than just keeping them in jail.
And... why? How does that make us any better than the killer, even though we're "good moral people"? More importantly, how the hell does it help? WHO does it help?

He should be stuck in a safe.

Originally Posted by Fabby

@Tristina-Rosa:
Putting someone to death takes far, far more of your tax money than just keeping them in jail.
And... why? How does that make us any better than the killer, even though we're "good moral people"? More importantly, how the hell does it help? WHO does it help?

For god sake how much is a piece of rope? I will show them the same mercy as they showed their victims. Okay, that attitude is not going to win me any nobel peace prizes but it will send out a strong message across society which will hopefully deter this deviant behaviour. Besides if start killing off the paedophiles who is going to miss them? The world is better off without these perverts.

Tristina:
I do believe the expensive part is the trial itself, which tends to be an incredibly lengthy process with lots of appeals and all that jazz. You also have to keep in mind that people tend to sit around on Death Row for quite some time before they're actually executed.
It doesn't deter this sort of behaviour, though. Maybe it's because the person is mentally ill, maybe it's because they're not really thinking about what they're doing, probably they just assume they won't get caught. If jail and the death penalty are so useful as deterrents why do we still get so many cases of murder/rape/etc?

I believe the world is better off without a LOT of things, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start killing people because I think it benefits society. They are people, no matter what they've done, and therefore are still deserving of human rights.

Aside from assuaging your personal sense of morality, what does killing a criminal really accomplish? It fails as a deterrent and it certainly isn't cheaper. It doesn't make the crime go away or make the victim and their families feel better. So... why?

Originally Posted by Fabby

Tristina:
I do believe the expensive part is the trial itself, which tends to be an incredibly lengthy process with lots of appeals and all that jazz. You also have to keep in mind that people tend to sit around on Death Row for quite some time before they're actually executed.
It doesn't deter this sort of behaviour, though. Maybe it's because the person is mentally ill, maybe it's because they're not really thinking about what they're doing, probably they just assume they won't get caught. If jail and the death penalty are so useful as deterrents why do we still get so many cases of murder/rape/etc?

I believe the world is better off without a LOT of things, but that doesn't mean I'm going to start killing people because I think it benefits society. They are people, no matter what they've done, and therefore are still deserving of human rights.

Aside from assuaging your personal sense of morality, what does killing a criminal really accomplish? It fails as a deterrent and it certainly isn't cheaper. It doesn't make the crime go away or make the victim and their families feel better. So... why?

Toughen up the legal system, no appeals, no waiting time. Conviction followed by swift execution. That will reduce costs. Prisons are nothing like the good old days. I kill someone and get sentenced bed and bored for life at the tax payers expense. Prison is not a deterrent. Modern prisons are like holiday camps- tv, a roof over your head and three square meals a day. What is there to fear?
What makes people human is their humanity. As soon as they forsake that they are no longer humans- they are monsters. These monsters will never be allowed to integrate back into society so what's the point of keeping them in cage until they die a natural death? Would we do it with a dangerous dog? Of course not.

I saw have done to him what he did.
For the rest of his life.
Every day.

Originally Posted by Tristina-Rosa

Toughen up the legal system, no appeals, no waiting time. Conviction followed by swift execution. That will reduce costs.

And also has the plus of being quite unconstitutional. You cannot sentence someone, especially not to DEATH, without a fair trial. Would you really rather see innocent people get sent to their deaths because the trial was rushed just to save a little cash?

Prisons are nothing like the good old days. I kill someone and get sentenced bed and bored for life at the tax payers expense. Prison is not a deterrent. Modern prisons are like holiday camps- tv, a roof over your head and three square meals a day. What is there to fear?

I have never been incarcerated myself, but I find it difficult to imagine that prison is a nice, fun, cushy place to live. Having your basic needs provided for doesn't make it enjoyable in the slightest.

What makes people human is their humanity. As soon as they forsake that they are no longer humans- they are monsters. These monsters will never be allowed to integrate back into society so what's the point of keeping them in cage until they die a natural death? Would we do it with a dangerous dog? Of course not.

Human rights are not conditional. You are born with them and even the most despicable people on earth still have them. And that includes the right to not have your life taken in the name of some twisted form of justice. They deserve a life sentence simply because they are dangerous to the rest of society and should be prevented from doing further harm; death, however, is fully unnecessary.
A dog is, first of all, not a person. Keeping a dog locked up is also quite cruel seeing how the dog wouldn't even know WHY it is being punished.

Originally Posted by Fabby

And also has the plus of being quite unconstitutional. You cannot sentence someone, especially not to DEATH, without a fair trial. Would you really rather see innocent people get sent to their deaths because the trial was rushed just to save a little cash?

They can have a fair trial and swift execution.

Originally Posted by Fabby

I have never been incarcerated myself, but I find it difficult to imagine that prison is a nice, fun, cushy place to live. Having your basic needs provided for doesn't make it enjoyable in the slightest.

Basic? These guys get tv, a library, a gym, hot meals, and a bed. Does that sound basic to you? It sounds like a hotel to me.

Originally Posted by Fabby

Human rights are not conditional. You are born with them and even the most despicable people on earth still have them. And that includes the right to not have your life taken in the name of some twisted form of justice. They deserve a life sentence simply because they are dangerous to the rest of society and should be prevented from doing further harm; death, however, is fully unnecessary.
A dog is, first of all, not a person. Keeping a dog locked up is also quite cruel seeing how the dog wouldn't even know WHY it is being punished.

They didn't consider their victim's human rights before they abused or murdered. I'm not some Ghandi-like mountain man that believes that we are proving a higher good within ourselves by keeping these monsters alive. They are a waste of space and resources and money- my money. The world is better off without them.

Originally Posted by Tristina-Rosa

They can have a fair trial and swift execution.

A fair trial, in the case of the death penalty, is also a lengthy trial. Surprisingly people want to prove their innocence before they are put to death, and they have that right.

Basic? These guys get tv, a library, a gym, hot meals, and a bed. Does that sound basic to you? It sounds like a hotel to me.

Actually, that does sound quite basic. I guess you could throw them in a cell with nothing but a toilet and make sure they're fully cut off from the outside world, but that just seems like it'd cause them to find less productive ways to spend their time.
Besides; I've never been in jail, but I HAVE been in a psych ward. We got all of those things plus some, and it's still the most miserable place I've ever been.

They didn't consider their victim's human rights before they abused or murdered. I'm not some Ghandi-like mountain man that believes that we are proving a higher good within ourselves by keeping these monsters alive. They are a waste of space and resources and money- my money. The world is better off without them.

We don't even have to prove some "higher good", just basic common decency. There is nothing decent or even really reasonable about killing people because we feel they deserve it. It does no good.
Besides, societies tend to work better when basic human rights are respected.
As I've already pointed out, your money and resources are being used up way more by putting these people to death. ; )